More histrionics from Learnard

Tax revenue funds everything from the Sheriff’s Department and our judiciary system to schools and water treatment.

Since the commissioners and Board of Education are responsible for approving budgets that support those activities, it seems most appropriate that the Development Authority would at least advise them of a deal that has a major impact on their revenue projections ... in this case, a glaring 20-year impact.

Per last week’s front-page Citizen story, though, the Development Authority didn’t advise the commission, even after the county had specifically asked them to. Ditto with the Board of Education.

It certainly appears as though some changes to the appointed Development Authority board were in order, and the commissioners made some.

That sounds like a reasonable response to restore accountability, but in the same Citizen story, a PTC councilwoman labeled the changes the result of a “one-man wrecking crew.”

After last November’s elections, I thought we were done with PTC government’s histrionics. We may be in for even more of them.

I hope they don’t drive off the people and businesses we need to grow and further improve our schools and quality of life.

Dennis D. Benson
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Harold's Business Venture

I don't see any conflict with Harold going into business with Bernie when he was Mayor as long as no city staff or resources were involved. And to my knowledge, that charge was never made. What is the difference between that and our current Mayor, The Big Hair Lady, or Newnan Mayor Keith Brady both of whom are real estate agents?

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histrionicectomy

Maybe Ms. Learnard needs one. Couldn't resist ... just love that word.

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More histrionics from Learnard

Did you know that Steve Brown has been a member of the Fayette County Local Emergency Planning Committee for 15 years; Steve has participated with the Fayette Faith-Based Disaster Network for emergency preparedness; and has a STRONG reputation for helping citizens that have been mistreated by the government? Steve is a very thoughtful man. He does "real research into issues and the consequences" before he goes forward with much energy to promote those issue(s).

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Learnards support for Harold Logsdon has me

wondering why.

Harold Logsdon has often said his accomplishments as Mayor include gaining a satellite campus for Clayton State University.

I didn’t believe his claims were completely accurate, so I had a long telephone conversation with Dr. Kevin Demmitt’s assistant who has been with the Clayton State University for several years and she told me Harold Logsdon had nothing to do with their decision to open a campus in Peachtree City. She went on to say “their decision preceded his term in office as Mayor by several years.”

I think records will show that Steve Brown was the one that played a major roll in getting Clayton State to establish a campus in PTC.

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americanpatriots on Learnard

She obviously loves poking people in the eye with a stick. That might be why she fits in with the Logsdon crowd.

There's something about the Peachtree City Council and the infighting all the time. Mrs. Learnard has certainly taken the monkey off of Don Haddix's back because they're still going at it!!!

Funny how mrobinson, morgan and nuk never have any problems with Ms. Learnard's or Harold Logsdon's shenanigans. They just hate Steve Brown because he actually works FOR the people.

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now we're getting to the truth mrobinson

There's no doubt you hate Steve Brown or you wouldn't pursue him like a rabid dog and support who of all people Harold Logsdon???

You're not civil and you're a name-caller like the rest of them. Look at your "megalomaniac" comment.

I've got to say that your "He works 'for the people' that will vote for him, not all the people, in my opinion" sounds communist in nature. What exactly does that mean???

You seem to hate the tea party too. You keep saying bad things about them. And Kim Learnard did a great job throwing herself under the bus. Read the letters to the editor.

So you think the guy who started a private business with the city manager would make the best commissioner??? Are you serious??? The guy who had to admit Brown was right on the TDK deal??? That was Logsdon's big issue last time. Logsdon got clobbered by Vannesa Fleisch.

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no problem wiith business relationship???

mudcat oh mudcat!!! You don't have a problem with the mayor and the city manager haviing a business together??? You've got to be kidding!

Personal interests mixed with government interests and that's OK???

Vote for Brown or Haddix and eliminate that confliict of interest!

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Ethics in government

Steve Brown was awarded recognition for his support of ethics reform from the non-partisan Common Cause Georgia. Common Cause Georgia is a watchdog organization of state and local governments throughout Georgia.

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No, I have no problem with their business relationship.

As I said before, these 2 fine gentlemen were buying and fixing up distressed or even abandoned houses and that improves the neighborhood they are in and eventually helps the city by gaining tax revenue and a working family living there. I heard they even rented one to a PTC policeman. You'd probably consider that a conflict as well.

Besides, what are you talking about? "Personal interests mixed with government interests"? You make it sound like Logsdon is shifting assets from the city for his own personal us - kind of like Brown did with Babysittergate or Haddix did with the $12k. And "conflict of interest"? What interests conflict? Name one. You just name-calling without facts.

Speaking of facts, maybe we can make a little chart showing actual facts that cropped up during each candidate's time as PTC mayor. Should be perfectly fair to keep score and compare since they were each there for 4 years.

Brown 2 ethics complaints 1 lawsuit
Haddix 2 eithics complaints 1 censure 2 lawsuits (expensive ones)
Logsdon 0 ethics complaints 0 lawsuits 1 vague complaint from johenry about a business deal.

Gee, who do I want for my county commissioner.

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Mudcat, Bernie and Logsdon created some red flags

They were both key individuals (the two highest) in the operation of PTC. In their joint real estate business, they combined money, skills or knowledge, and they had supervisory access to tax-paid employees. It is also open to question how they gained access to which houses to buy. While I have no reason to believe that these two individuals in any way improperly exerted their influence to that business, I do believe that their levels of supervision in PTC, where they were doing business, were high enough to create the appearance of a conflict of interest.

I worked for the federal government for over 30 years under a policy where the mere appearance of a conflict of interest could result in disciplinary action or dismissal.

Steve Brown, on the other hand, will not accept gratuities, such as free trips abroad from those individuals or companies seeking favorable action from the county, such as tax abatements. I learned that Brown attended an out of town training seminar where all attendees were invited to a banquet sponsored by a major Fayette County Contractor.Brown did not attend the banquet because of his belief that county business and gratuities did not mix.

You might want to add something about why you believe Mr. Logsdon's trip to China was necessary, how much it cost and who paid for it.

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He went to promote Peachtree City

And it worked.

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Logsdon got clobbered by Vanessa Fleisch

Haddix got more clobbered by both Logsdon and Fleisch.
Brown got clobbered by Logsdon.
If Fleisch was running she would get 100% of the vote.

Also, what is so wrong about Logsdon and Bernie going into business together. As I recall they were buying older homes in PTC, fixing them up and selling at a profit or at least a higher price. That adds to the tax base and converts a vacant, unmaintained eyesore into a productive household with jobs that also pays taxes. No different that the off-duty cop directing church traffic on Sunday AM. I think Harold and Bernie should be applauded for helping to fix up the city. Can Brown or Haddix claim anything similar?

And who cares about both Brown and Logsdon changing positions on TDK? Everybody's position changed when PCDC backed Dan Stinchcomb on that mega development on the other end of TDK in Coweta. They were both right until circumstances made them change position for the sake of the city. Your hatred of Harold Logsdon is just unreasonable.

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Shenanigans! Shenanigans!

I don't hate Steve Brown. He has a great deal of passion and, if he didn't come off as megalomaniacal, he'd probably be excellent in government.

But this is politics, the ugly stepsister of government, and I don't wish to see him continue in that vein. He works "for the people" that will vote for him, not all the people, in my opinion. If he improves his tact and temperament, I might have a new opinion, but until that happens, no thanks.

As for Learnard, having an opinion different from the tea party express is certainly refreshing; she's not running for office here, but feel free to immediately throw her under that same Logsdon bus you're driving.

As for Logsdon, I like a quiet, professional government, and the closest way I see that happening here is with Logsdon as a commissioner and Oddo as the Chairman. That's my opinion - one out of thousands.

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wow-viral alert

below.

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And too much caffeine

proocess...

9-11proocess attack...

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It was a great collaborative effort on the campus

I think the record shows that it took a lot of us working together to get the satellite campus to Peachtree City. Chris Clark was a wonderful partner in the proocess and he has always had my utmost respect.

And, yes, we did that in 2002 with a weak budget position following the 9-11proocess attack.

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Selective memory or bias, Mrobinson

When I said "weak budget position" I was being very kind.

The previous City Council added around 15 employees and other expenses and rolled the millage rate BACK - that is where I started. And the budget was not in a good position before that. To his credit, Mayor Lenox said that move from council was the wrong thing to do, but they did not listen. Ultimately, we had almost no "skin" to speak of ... go ask the Finance Director.

The utility gave in-kind services and the City Council, in addition to the un-budgeted funds, gave the most expensive part of the deal - the lease free venue for years.

But you did a nice job of turning a positive for our city into a negative light with your funding comments. But you are trying to sway an election, as I am hoping to do also.

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As long as we're honest about it...

that's the way the game is played, isn't it? Thanks for admitting it.

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Yay Steve!

We not I...that's good. Keep it up.

Now a minor critique on the impact - Council gave the effort $15,000 out of its $550,000 Council Contingency fund that year - almost three percent of the rainy day fund! Meanwhile, Newnan Utilities donated $40K and the FCDA put in $50K. It seems to me that PTC could have put a little more skin in the game if it was critical, but I digress, lest another blogger accuse me of spreading a virus of some sort :)

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I think records will show...

...that it was the Development Authorities of PTC and Fayette County that presented the original idea...

http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-020320/news/in-07.html

The expansion of the Peachtree City Tennis Center will include room for a pro shop, a restaurant, and ... a college?

That's the proposal from the Peachtree City Development Authority and the Fayette County Development Authority. Both have secured a deal for Clayton College and State University to use classrooms at the tennis center to offer continuing education classes to local residents.

The first classes will be offered in the fall, Chris Clark, president and CEO of the Fayette County Development Authority, said at the Peachtree City Council retreat Saturday morning.

Officials hope the class offerings will take off in popularity so the Board of Regents will fund a stand-alone university center in the future that would be operated by CCSU.

Other colleges and universities in the Georgia system could teach courses here in Fayette, Clark said

"This is something that has been worked on for 20 years," said Tate Godfrey, chairman of the Peachtree City Development Authority. "Even though it's a very small start, it gets our foot in the door."

The Fayette County Development Authority has committed $50,000 to build out and furnish the 3,000 plus square feet of office space at the new building for three classrooms and three small offices. One of the offices wil house the Small Business Development Center, allowing a permanent location for SBDC representatives to meet for client meetings and counseling.

More funds will be needed to furnish and equip the classrooms and offices, with estimates running from $40,000 to $60,000 Godfrey said. The authority will present that need to council at its regular meeting Thursday night.

Mayor Steve Brown said he had concerns about the classes creating a parking problem at the tennis center. But Godfrey said there would never be more than 30 or 40 cars present at one time for the courses.

"Believe me, that was our first concern," Godfrey said, referring to the potential impact the classes would have on the tennis center's normal operations.

"We have expanded our parking greatly," said Virgil Christian, executive director of the Peachtree City Development Authority.

March 21, Peachtree City Council Minutes:

http://vault.peachtree-city.org/weblink7/DocView.aspx?id=5128, start on page 6:

03-02-03

Consider Clayton State Satellite Center

Brown commented that Council had been approached on this issue at the Retreat and had asked for more specific details from Chris Clark of the Fayette County Development Authority (FCDA).
Clark gave the Council Members a letter, not a legal agreement, that addressed the legal issues and went over the legal aspects and the furnishings needed for the satellite center, which would be
located in 3,000 square feet of office space in the Tennis Center expansion. Clark told Council the County had tried to get a university program located in the County since 1984. Getting a university center in the County became a priority of the FCDA board. In January, the FCDA board
agreed to provide seed money for the facility. Clark and local real estate agents set out to find about 3,000 square feet that could be used. They scoured Peachtree City for free office space, or $2 per square foot space. Clark said he was about at the end of his rope when Virgil Christian, the
executive director of the Development Authority of Peachtree City (DAPC), called with an offer of space in the Tennis Center. Clark said Council had wanted the authorities to think out of the box and agreed everything had happened quickly. The Tennis Center expansion was still under construction and the longer it took to make a decision, the more it would cost to go back in and build out the space.

The satellite center would use 3,500 square feet of office space on a year-to-year basis with a five-year expectancy. Any profit after the first year of operation would be split 50/50 with the controlling agency, and whether it would be between the FCDA, DAPC, or the Tennis Center was yet to be determined. Once the satellite center was running, a stand-alone building, such as the one under construction in Rockdale County, would be looked at. Clark said it usually took about five years for a program to get to a stand-alone building, but he felt it would take less time in Fayette
County. The FCDA had agreed to put up $50,000 for the build-out at the Tennis Center. The Chamber of Commerce had offered to find corporate funds and sponsors to finish the build-out so it would not be a burden on the taxpayers. Newnan Utilities agreed to donate the necessary wiring,
valued at about $40,000, at no cost. The biggest concerns so far were parking and traffic. Clark met with the vice-president of finance and legal issues and the vice-president who would be in charge of the facility at Clayton College and State University and they had discussed the concerns.
Clark read a portion of the letter that addressed the legal issues. Classes would be scheduled during slow times at the Tennis Center and no on-site classes would be scheduled during tennis tournaments and special events. In the event of an unplanned event being offered to the Tennis Center, the FCDA would work to find alternate classroom space. Clark said the university had been asked to prioritize the class scheduling so classes could be worked around peak traffic times.

Clark continued that the university planned to offer two credit classes four days a week at first. The center would include two small administrative offices, one 35-seat classroom with folding
tables, one 12-seat model classroom with data ports so on-line classes could be offered, and a small 6~8 person conference room. Clark added that some Clayton State retirees who lived in Planterra had already volunteered to staff the site. The center would also house a Small Business
Development Center (SBDC). Clark said this would be the first time a small business resource center would be located in Fayette County. Currently, Clayton State is the SBDC provider and County business people had to drive to Morrow to take classes. The Clayton SBDC served five counties and a majority of Fayette's participants were from Peachtree City. Thirty percent of the SBDC's consultancy was in Fayette County. The local industries would be approached regarding their needs and non-credit courses would be offered first, then credit courses. Clark said Mayor Brown had also already made in-roads with West Georgia regarding MBA classes. When the needs were demonstrated, Clayton State would try to bring who was needed to meet them. Clark continued that there was a lot of synergy and they had been overwhelmed by the support. The DAPC had really stepped up. An advisory council for the university center would be set up so it would not be left to Clayton State alone to make decisions. The advisory council would be
composed of a representative from the Fayette County Board of Commissioners, the Peachtree City City Council, both the FCDA and the DAPC, the Chamber of Commerce, the School Board,

Clayton State with an employee of the university that lived here, and two citizen appointees. The group would be tied in with the university and the community and would be working on a plan to move forward.

Tennant told Clark it was an exciting proposal and an appealing idea. He wondered if the urgency was worth it, or if Council should wait and see. He asked Clark if there would be any additional costs if the university center were done five or six months from now, as opposed to the next 30
days. Clark said he did not know what the costs would be, but if they waited to do the build-out another crew would have to be hired and that would cost additional money. Clayton State wanted to be able to offer classes in the fall and felt they could accomplish it on their end if the FCDA could do what needed to be done on its end. Tennant asked what the worst-case scenario was as far as parking was concerned since as many as 60 people could attend classes at one time. Clark said 180 parking spaces would be added at the Tennis Center and only six courts were added. The
Tennis Center and the university would work together on scheduling. If the pre-planning was done right, Clark did not see a problem with parking during peak times at the Tennis Center. Tennant asked Christian what the capacity of the Tennis Center restaurant would be. Christian answered 50
people.

Brown asked how much of the parking lot was removed due to the expansion. Christian said during the worst-case scenario the Tennis Center employees could park in the easement. He did not want a situation where parking was a problem and would not have that kind of situation. He added that the covered courts would be used mainly when it was raining, so the other courts probably would not be used. Christian said the DAPC wanted the university center in the Tennis Center. The reason to do this was for the citizens of the community. Brown said everyone was excited about the project and wanted the component. He said the Tennis Center parking lot was
usually full on Saturday and asked how that would affect Saturday classes. Clark answered that Saturday classes were not even in the outlook for the first two years.

Rapson stated he would abstain from the vote on the university center due to the lawsuit filed against the DAPC by his wife. Rapson said he liked the small business development center idea. He felt the Chamber did not need Council approval to do anything in that regard with the DAPC. Rapson recalled that Rockdale County's university center started by holding classes in the schools, then got to the point where the center wanted to offer day classes. At that time the center had 300 students, but the Board of Regents did not agree to build the university center until 1,200 students were enrolled. Rapson asked how Fayette County would get from Point A to Point B. His concern was capacity.

Clark answered there would obviously have to be some creative scheduling and there were other opportunities for class space when needed, such as the Nazarene Church in Peachtree City and the top floor of the Chamber of Commerce building. Clark continued that the School Board was supportive. There was a shortage of trained healthcare professionals and there was some synergy with Fayette Community Hospital. Clayton State was already talking to the hospital about space for classes as well. Clark reiterated that Clayton State wanted this university center to work.

Rapson noted that he was a bean counter and said the center had to be self-supporting. Thirty percent of the funding for the center came from tuition, according to Clayton State. He asked Clark where the remaining seventy percent (70%) would come from. Clark said the remaining funding came from contract classes with industry, business, and government for continuing education.

Tennant told Clark he understood various people had been working on getting a university center for 20 years. He asked why the public schools were not considered for a location. Tennant said he understood there were some psychological barriers to holding the classes in schools, but asked
Clark if there was any history on why there had been no success in using the public schools as a location. Clark said Clayton State had made an endeavor in the school system in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Randy Hayes explained that the classes had been held at the LaFayette Education
Center, then Fayette County High School, with the County's Alternative School. It was not a good mix and there was not a lot of support from the Board of Education. Hayes said Gordon College and Griffin Tech held classes at LaFayette, but they were for the high school students.

McMenamin commented that the intent had always been to put the university center in the industrial park area. She remarked that for so many years they had come very close without anything coming to fruition. The City would be remiss in not grabbing the opportunity this time. McMenamin added getting the university center would be an opportunity for the County to shine.

Clark said that one of the areas the County needed to look at for economic development was how far people had to drive for training. The university center might not be the University of North Carolina, but it got the County closer. Clark continued that it was hard to put a number on having the university center and it was also hard to put a value on the impact the university center would have on quality of life. Clark agreed it had happened quickly, but said the County needed to grab the opportunity. Clark asked Council for support and to allow the DAPC to draw up an agreement.

He said $14,960 was still needed for furnishings.

Lindsey said there would need to be a lease between the DAPC and Clayton State. Christian said the DAPC wanted Council to be a partner.

Margie Swart told Council she loved the idea of a university center, but she had hoped there would be a lot more discussion before deciding on the location. She read a list of course offered by Clayton State at other university centers and asked why one of the public schools could not be
used. She said that would leave the Tennis Center space for City recreation programs and that it was more suitable for use by the Recreation Department. The Tennis Center space seemed awfully small for what was being proposed. Swart added she was a little suspect of the idea since there
was a possibility the Tennis Center might be separated from the DAPC.

McMenamin said the timing was perfect and a delay in making a decision would delay the university center for a semester or a quarter. Tennant said that it appeared the DAPC did not need the blessing of Council. Christian said the DAPC desired Council's blessing. Tennant continued that for a $15,000 investment he would rather Council be part of the university center. Big ideas started from little ideas. Tennant said he would rather Council got on board than be in an antagonistic relationship. Rapson asked Lindsey how it would affect the City if the DAPC entered
into an agreement, and then the university went broke. Lindsey said he had talked to Mark Oldenburg, the DAPC attorney, and understood the lease could only be on a year-to-year basis. Lindsey said he did not believe there were any financial entanglements, but the City should retain ownership of the furnishings. Lindsey said all of this could be done through legal documentation. Lindsey added everyone agreed with the core concepts, but there were no contracts before them.

Christian pointed out that FCDA was putting in $50,000 and there would be $40,000 in smart wiring put in for free. If the university center did not work out, then the space could possibly go to the Recreation Department. Weed asked Christian what the original plans for space included. Christian said the Georgia Tennis Association had originally been approached to rent the space and its board split 3-2 on the vote and did not take the space. He then approached several other tennis organizations that did not choose to not take the space. Christian said he thought the space would be tennis-related.

Weed said he had faith the university center would be a very successful program, but he thought everyone was selling the program short. He felt it would be like putting a very large foot into a small shoe.

Clark said it might make sense to put the university center in the schools, but the classrooms could not be used during the day. Clark said he was the link between the business community and the government. Clark continued that he had spoken with the Clayton State vice-president that
morning and the vice-president said the County needed to own the furnishings. Clark explained that Clayton State would like a larger space, but the Tennis Center was offering all the space the university could handle at this time. The university center had to support itself. Clark added that two real estate brokers had been looking for a location since January. The Tennis Center was not ideal, but it might be the best deal.

Brown said he was excited about the concept and was willing to take a shot. He added that he would have liked to talk to the school board, but there was not enough time. Tennant pointed out the County was kicking in $50,000 and suggested that Starr's Mill High School might be used in conjunction with the Tennis Center space. Rapson said the university center was good out of the box thinking and he was not opposed to going out from the City perspective and leasing enough space to get the university center from Point A to Point B. His concern was getting there.

McMenamin moved to approve the university center concept and to take $15,000 out of Council Contingency to be used to assist with furnishings and let the Development Authority and Tennis Center move forward with Clayton State. Tennant seconded.

Marsha Cole, owner of a small business and a member of the Fayette County Chamber of Commerce, addressed Council concerning the university center. She explained that the Chamber of Commerce had taken a serious look at small businesses in the County and had made great strides in supporting the businesses. Her company was the first Small Business Company of the
Year for Fayette County. Her company sponsored the last Small Business Council luncheon meeting. They planned for 60 people and 120 showed up. She continued that her employees needed a SMART building for training. She had 10 people who needed computer training and did not want to go to a high school to get it. That was a negative concept. Cole hoped the university
center outgrew the Tennis Center space in a year. A university center was a community need and the Chamber and the small businesses were behind it.

Clark stated that if Clayton State had wanted to go into the County's schools, the college would have done that. He continued that the schools were not Clayton State's preference for the demographics in Fayette County. During the day, the university center could not offer computer
classes or contract classes if it were located in the schools.

Rapson said he would abstain from the vote due to his wife's lawsuit against the DAPC.

Brown said he had pushed for a university center for a long time and he thought it was well worth taking the shot. The trouble that Brown foresaw was that the facility would be outgrown quickly. Tennant said the benefit of that situation would be one of strength in getting a building for the university center.

Weed clarified the motion. Since there was no written agreement, Weed said he took it that the motion in no way made a commitment to an agreement that did not exist. Weed thought the university center was a wonderful idea. Weed continued that the DAPC was doing what Council had wanted them to do and he would not criticize them for that. Weed said he also believed the university center would outgrow its space in the first two years. Weed noted that Council was elected to ask questions and as long as he was on Council they would ask questions no matter how long it took.

Lindsey asked McMenamin to specify what the $15,000 in her motion would be for. McMenamin said the money would be for university furnishings owned by the City and referred to the list provided by the FCDA. Lindsey suggested McMenamin include the furnishings per the attached list. McMenamin amended her motion. Tennant seconded. The motion carried 4-0-1 (Rapson abstaining). McMenamin and Tennant thanked Clark and Christian for their leadership.

Brown did ask and was appointed to the Fayette County University Center Advisory Council, taking a role offered to any of the Council members, to sit down with others in the County to discuss. "There had not been a lot of activity, but Clayton State had hired a consultant to look at sites. The Advisory Council had representatives from the Chamber of Commerce, the Board of Education, all the municipalities, Fayette County, and Fayette
County Development Authority." (2/5/2004 City Council Minutes).

After that, crickets until December 6, 2007, when Logsdon announced that Clayton State would be opening their facility in the City after January 1.

Yet again, Steve Brown = lots of talk, no real action on his part, take the credit.

OH WAIT! I did find that Brown welcomed Clayton State into Peachtree City for classes at McIntosh High School! Wait, FRED BROWN, in 1991:

http://vault.peachtree-city.org/weblink7/DocView.aspx?id=3633, page 6:

9-91-5 Resolution Welcoming Clayton State College to McIntosh High School

Mayor Brown explained that Clayton State College had committed to bringing credit courses to Fayette County during the fall, winter and spring quarters of the 1991/92 school year. He read a Resolution welcoming
Clayton State College to Fayette County and more specifically McIntosh High
School and recommended the Resolution be adopted by the City Council.

Motion was made by the Mayor that the Resolution be adopted. Seconded by McMenamin. Motion carried unanimously.

Funny, I don't remember Harold Logsdon saying "I played a major role in getting Clayton State to establish a campus in PTC." I think he said one of the accomplishments for the CITY during his term was that Clayton State put a campus in PTC, which is entirely true.

Here, let's let the man himself state it, as he did in the 2008 State of the City, found here - http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/24499.html

Clayton State University has begun a satellite campus here in PTC. They have established an MBA program at the former Aberdeen Conference Center and have started undergraduate studies on Commerce Drive. Someone is now available to greet prospective students and to help them with admissions, tuition, and study program information.

With a university here, our high school students that qualify and desire to may take college level classes and obtain dual credit. Potentially, a high school senior could graduate from high school with about 27 college hours to their credit.

What role did Steve Brown actually play? He sat on a committee that included the Development Authority and the other jurisdictions, along with the college, that sprung from repeated attempts over TWENTY YEARS to do this. Clayton State was finally able to convince the state for the need to expand to a more full-time role.

Who got Clayton State to Fayette County? That's right, the springboard for that was the Development Authorities. Man, I just hate "development", don't you?

Some of us have been here a lot longer than you and remember things, and we don't try to take the credit to make ourselves look good.

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Nuk_1 you obviously are talking about some body else,

because I have never had a sign with a snake saying "don't tread on me," but I like the message.

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americanpatriots...UGH

If you could read and comprehend, you would have noted that I ended the post with THIS IS SATIRE and also didn't whizz on your shrubbery. Geez! I know you don't have the snake-flag in your front yard(a.k.a the Gadsden Flag). Lighten up, Francis.

I also don't believe you have never seen that flag before, either.

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Lighten up Francis

He won't get it

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a deal that has a major impact on their revenue projections ...

someone should do the research. year over year this deal has created an increase in value and as a result an increase in tax dollars. We would not have realized this increase in value if it were not for the DDA.

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histrionics

Had to look that one up. The word fits.

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Mr. Benson and the facts

Thank you so much for posting a letter dealing with the facts surrounding the FCDA.

Some folks twist the facts to suit their own agendas.

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Kim Learnard has joined the character assassins!!! Losers!!!

Oh how funny to see how the four or five usual negative bloggers trying so very hard to sling mud at Steve Brown. Those mean little people hiding behind their words just seem to love the candidates who want to do us wrong!!!

Steve has done a fantastic job of cleaning up the county politics.

We don't need to stand by while the negative bloggers support their guy Harold Logsdon who had a private business partnerships with City Manger. Their guy Logsdon also took a wonderful trip to China and took meals and other gifts from people who got tax breaks from the government!!

Their guy Logsdon sued Mayor Haddix at taxpayer expense for comments made in an email that hurt his feelings!! That stupid deal cost us tens of thousand of dollars!!

You can see why Kim Learnard and the negative bloggers are going to have to work really hard to get their guy Logsdon back in office. This is sickening. The people are smart enough to stay away from crooked guys with shady dealings no matter who tries to help them.

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Harold Logsdon and the visioning???

I just got the thing in the mail and Harold Logsdon is talking about the need for the visioning deal that we all read about in the newspapers every week that the county commissioners are paying for and the cities too I guess. So why is Logsdon highlighting something Steve Brown is already doing???

Logsdon is running on fumes!!! I mean completely empty. It's shocking that even the four of five hate bloggers or internet trolls as my granddaughter calls them can support Logsdon.

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Do you have a vote in the 3rd district?

I asked earlier....

Just curious...

You realize you are talking to yourself again, right?.

Funny, there are 3-4 bloggers on here that do that, they all recite the same pro SB drivel over and over again...the mind wanders.

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Ok, make that 2 Brown supporters

Next up will be Ms. Fran Shelton and Silence Dogwood. So, do we count them individually even if we know they are the multiple identities of the same person?

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nuk, "chicken," "gutless pukes?"

Here we go again with the name calling.

Can't you do better than that?

FOR THE RECORD: WHETHER OF NOT STEVE BROWN IS/WAS FOR/AGAINST DISTRICT VOTING, I am completely AGAINST DISTRICT VOTING and I greatly admire the fact that our BOC and BOE have the intestinal fortitude to fight it.

I am very happy to pay my portion to fight the thing!

When I was in my very early twenties, I voted as a Democrat. Oh, how times have changed.

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Nuk_1 is the best that Logsdon can offer

Has anyone ever noticed how rude the Logsdon supporters are in these blogs???

They're great at name calling but pretty light on the facts. My granddaughter calls these kind of people internet trolls. I had to laugh because they really are like mean little trolls.

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johenry & nuk

Yes, he may be brutally frank at times, but that doesn't mean he's wrong!

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Do you have a vote in the 3rd district race?

I do..my neighbors do...and all of them are voting for the same person..they saw how divisive SB was on the City Council...

Anyways, just curious as to your dog in the fight..

Let me add that I do not like this district voting at all. All it does it pit one district against the other, with no real bonus for the County at large..I lost 4 votes...and so did you..stinks in my opinion.

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I'm a District 3 voter

Glad to know mine will cancel-out Jim Richter's :)

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Nuk_1 I'm sad to see

you are still off your medication. You are one sick and demented individual!

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No worries americanpatriots...I just "watered" your bushes

You got to take better care of them, you know. Planterra has a HOA and I don't want my neighbors decreasing my property value in there, especially since I live in a cul-de-sac and am not affected by all the "through-traffic" that doesn't really exist but people howl about. Oh wait....that would be people that bought a house on Terrane Ridge. FAIL.

I was down at the Y-Knot because I had heard from here that the Y is the place all of the alleged movers and shakers go. Only thing I saw was some derelict drunks and desperate divorcees. After a few, I had to depart but couldn't make it home inside Planterra with all the damn "speed cushions" on Terrane Fail Ridge bumping my bladder around, without having to GO RIGHT NOW. Your bushes needed the water anyway. You'll thank me later.

Now, about that tired old snake-flag in your yard that says "Don't Tread On Me." I have a better replacement. Get a pic of David Studdard whizzing on a tree in the bar parking lot in Fayetteville and make a flag that says "Don't Whiz On Me!" Great idea, right? We'll even split the royalties! WIN!

NOTE: I actually did not whiz on anyone's shrubbery, go to the Y-Knot today, and americanpatriots doesn't have a Don't Tread On Me flag in his front yard. This is satire.

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Thanks Ginga!

Your the very first one who has ever responded to the Steve Brown missive that called everyone bigots because they opposed district voting. Congrats for thinking for yourself on that issue and disagreeing with Brown's BS.

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Could pumpkin be far behind?

Might as well get the whole cult of personality involved.

U forgot ginga, johenry and pips who worship the Brown Kool-Aid and will never respond to Brown's diatribe in favor of district voting a few years ago in this very newspaper because they are too chicken **** to think for themselves without vetting it through their God, Steve Brown. I've posted the link to that same letter 15 times and none of those gutless pukes will respond. That's a really sad existence and not much of an endorsement. A simple "I disagreed with that" or "I agreed" would be easy enough, but they are all too cowardly and feeble to state a position whatsoever because it might offend their deity.

Then there is pumpkin and her huge love for pathetic Don Haddix......but that's a story for another day.

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Go ask them Morgan

The developers were wrong, the people who gave us the awards were wrong, the VP of Home Depot was wrong, that is what you are saying, right?

The Association of County Commissioners of Georgia cited the incredible collaboration between the county and the City of Fayetteville to recognize, but they are wrong too, right?

The voters are getting tired of your divisiveness and the hate mongering the blogs will only get you so far. 2013 was a banner year and people know it.

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Brownclown running an ad that claims credit for Pinewood Sudios

I am not really surprised, but seriously, people and voters. Are you kidding me? The brownclown was frozen out of the negotiations and now he is taking credit for it? BS big time.

I am glad that Haddix and Brown will split the crazy vote and Logsdon will represent us in Fayette County Commission. He or Oddo can be the new Chairman. No worries.