Woman attacked, robbed at Fayette Pavilion

Robbery suspect, wearing a baseball cap with red to orange trimming, is at lower right, walking away from security camera. Photo/Fayetteville Police Department.

Fayetteville Police are looking for a suspect who attacked a Fayetteville woman Saturday morning in the parking lot of the Kohl’s department store located at the Fayette Pavilion.

The April 27 incident occurred at approximately 10:07 a.m. as the customer exited her vehicle and walked towards the door, said Det. Mike Whitlow.

Whitlow said the woman was approached by a black male, 16-20 years of age, 5’7”-5’9” in height and a very thin build. The man was wearing black pants, a black shirt over a red shirt, black shoes and a black baseball cap with a red bill and logo, Whitlow added.

Whitlow said the man grabbed the victim by the collar and threw her to the ground. He then took her purse and fled, running north through the Kohl’s parking lot toward Pavilion Parkway. The victim suffered injuries to her arm and neck. She was treated at the scene by paramedics, said Whitlow.

The incident at Kohl’s was captured on store video and the suspect was seen walking in the store prior to the robbery, Whitlow said.

Fayetteville Police and Fayette County deputies searched the area but were unable to locate the suspect. Fayetteville Police believe he may have had a vehicle waiting in the Dick’s parking lot and may have tried to rob someone there a few minutes before he walked to Kohl’s, Whitlow said.

Anyone with information is urged to contact Det. Mike Whitlow at 770-461-4441.

Below are composite security camera shots of the suspect.

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Great News!! Kohls robbery suspect caught!

The suspect is in custody as I type! Fayetteville Police Dept will release a press release. Congratulations law enforcement!!

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This report of flagrant criminality – accompanied by a perceived ineffective police presence –at the Pavilion has elicited over 160 posts revealing much angst and anger among the citizenry. The majority of responders appear to be Caucasian males completely exasperated with thugs infiltrating the county and perpetrating violent and property crimes.

Posters have identified the culprit genre as young black men from bordering counties who wear baggy pants and are apt to congregate around the cinema. Responders have encouraged each other to arm themselves and even identified the bodily targets of their bullets. A shared bravado has emerged as disdain for intruders has heightened.

Observing these posts over the last week, it is instructive to see how people who feel threatened develop a template of their enemy and an action strategy to eliminate this threat that is practiced in their shared rhetoric.

I share the frustration of living among criminals who act with impunity. I also understand the formation of a George Zimmerman. Both are disconcerting.

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I guess the white rapist that is on the loose is not as interesting as this story. No one wants to make comments on that story, but everyone wants to look for a reason to justify their own prejudice feelings and fill this page up with comments. I also guess that there are no whites in the Fayette county jail system since whites are omitted from crime in this county (you wish). I also guess that most of you are ignorant enough to believe that all crimes in this county are from black men - or MAYBE that is all the media would like to show you? Check the police reports people. Or just stay a bunch of ignorant fools who aren't smart enough to search for the true statistics (spoon fed by single sided reporting of the citizen). ;-)

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Nah, fairness...

...it's just easier to identify someone in several photos than it is from one artist's rendering of someone in a hood (wait - maybe it's 'The Arrow'!).

Yes, I believe 100% of all crimes in Fayette Co. are committed by young black men; it's a fact - I read it in the Fayette Co. Klan Times.

Could you post the police reports you check, and do so every week, please? I don't have time to get by the police station or courthouse w/ work & family. Oh, and some of those 'true statistics' that you have handy. Besides, I'd certainly believe what you post over what the Citizen does. Maybe you can start a paper or website and get us all smartened up!

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A black male age 16-20 wearing black pants, a black shirt, black shoes, & a black baseball cap? I've always prided myself in not adhering to the bigoted outlooks of my parents as I try to judge each individual by the "content of their character" rather than the color of one's skin. Unfortunately, I have to now realistically think otherwise. I grew-up in Clayton County during the 1970's and I remember a high school graduating class of 425 with only 17 minority students. The community in which I lived was a wonderful place ... filled with caring and hard-working people and a place where one could let their kids ride their bikes around the neighborhood without fear of a "drive-by" or kidnapping. Now that same school has a 90% minority make-up and my old neighborhood is a disgrace to those that used to call it home. I moved to Fayette County in 1989 after completing an eight year tour of duty with our "Uncle Sam" and have watched the gradual decline of our little slice of Utopia. Drug deals in the parking lots of our shopping centers ... shootings, robberies, and shoplifting where there used to be little to no crime. Just watch the news ... almost every time one hears of a robbery or some other kind of criminal activity, see whose picture the local news shows on the screen. More often than not, a Caucasian face will NOT be what one sees. Am I the only one who dreads going to any Fayette businesses that are north of Hwy 54? Going to these establishments only brings to light how the "ghetto cancer" has spread into our county and brings an unwanted reality of what our future holds for us. I would still like to believe that all people I meet are good until they prove otherwise, but I can't afford to be that naive anymore.

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1989 after completing an eight year tour of duty with our Uncle Sam" and have watched the gradual decline of our little slice of Utopia. Drug deals in the parking lots of our shopping centers ... shootings, robberies, and shoplifting where there used to be little to no crime. Just watch the news ... almost every time one hears of a robbery or some other kind of criminal activity, see whose picture the local news shows on the screen. More often than not, a Caucasian face will NOT be what one sees. Am I the only one who dreads going to any Fayette businesses that are north of Hwy 54? Going to these establishments only brings to light how the "ghetto cancer" has spread into our county and brings an unwanted reality of what our future holds for us. I would still like to believe that all people I meet are good until they prove otherwise, but I can't afford to be that naive anymore.

I thank you for your service to our country. I respect your honesty without denigrating an entire race of people. Good people who remained in all 'black/ghetto ' communities deal with and react to the same reality . Black on Black crime is a statistic that is frightening - as is all crime. In Fayetteville, from talking with long-time residents, the majority are not afraid of ALL black people, but those who are criminals. Most have friends and neighbors that they do not identify as persons who would commit a crime. My husband and I unfortunately have witnessed street drug deals in urban areas. We were surprised when we witnessed open drug dealing in 2004 in the parking lots of The Pavilion. In most urban areas, 'whites' came to the .ghetto' to 'deal'. What we witnessed was open selling of drugs by 'blacks' to young 'whites'. My husband correctly stated - there is going to be a 'race' problem here unless this is stopped soon. ( He's retired law enforcement). He was sure that there were undercover officers near by, (as would have been true in an urban area with an urban force).

I have taken steps to learn more about what concerned citizens, law enforcement, and business / management of The Pavilian can do to address crime .

Thanks for sharing.

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Fayetteville annexed the Pavilion, years ago, to obtain the tax dollars. The responsibility to keep it safe rests primarily with Pavilion management and Fayetteville. Why don't one of you contact Fayettville City Mayor or Council Members to get their Plans regarding what they intend to do to help keep shops and shoppers safer. I don't know if any of them reads this blog. They might not know that you have questions or suggestions.

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Back on the pavilion topic....I had posted a few days ago, and just caught up reading everyone elses posts. Someone said that the pavilion owner should hire security and ensure safety. There is security here, but I have NEVER seen them do anything. For about 6 months their pick up sat in the parking lot and never moved, and they hung out in the old Pearl Vison eye center. The only time I saw them move was to go in and out at the end of their shift. They were not at all professional looking and really did not do anything. Then we got a new person doing security. They were driving a old model sedan with a magnet advertising the security company and a little yellow light. Again I saw them drive around every now and then. Now we have an older man who drives around in a little car. This is what we are paying for as leasees, and who should be watching out for you. Maybe Im wrong, but I have a different vision of security and someone who were to guard it. I am with DM on standing up for where I live, and I do NOT want to see the pavilion turn into just another abandon center, as this is a great center. I live in Tyrone, but choose to work and shop here. I do not drive to newnan, even though its roughly the same distance, but at the same time so is union city but I choose not to go there. You shouldn't have to worry about where you shop, but I also feel that the crime in the pavilion is more exaggerated than anything. Its not like there are shootings here all the time, or gangs walking around harassing everyone. Fayetteville police would not allow that. We live in a city with a competent police department, but you can not just pull over anyone with a clayton county tag, or that doesn't "fit" the ideal fayette county resident as so many have described above. Having better security that again IS ALREADY BEING PAID FOR by the tenants would help to deter crime, more patrols by police, and "the ideal fayette county citizens" not running away and shopping somewhere else is the only thing that I see making the pavilion better. What are your choices, let the pavilion and all the store go out of business? What do you think a huge center like this would do empty for your home values, or better yet, all the Lower end store fill it up...more discount stores because that brings higher class of people. Or you can leave altogether, and just run away and sell your house and change your whole life over this little hurdle that eventually you'll face again down the line. Its silly to me. I understand someone from peachtree city going to newnan because they are in the middle, but everyone from Fayetteville should really stand up, and its still a good idea for all fayette countians to as well. BTW I am a business manager and I have a concealed carry permit, choose to carry, and WILL DO whatever is necessary to defend my store, staff, and customers because that is what I feel a good business owner should do. Sorry for the really long post.

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I worked security at the Pavillion between early '05 to late '06.
There was a total of 6 or 7 of us and should have been 3 or 4 of us there at any time.
I was always coupled with a single other co-worker, so we were the ones folks saw most of the time. We hated sitting around, so we were always walking the whole of the property, going in and out of stores, doing vehicle patrols for 30-45 min. stretches, breaking to do a store walk-thru. People in the stores often told us they'd never seen security before us and that they never saw the other guys.
A year or two after I was no longer there I saw Pavillion security in Wal-Mart playing the XBox360 display. A number of other times I've seen some of them shopping or otherwise milling about doing not much of anything. I've rarely seen an actually security vehicle, but have seen these guys in their own cars with a light on the dash and magnetic sign on the side. These fellows have no tools, no flashlights, no batons no mace, no cuffs, no gloves, nothing. Heck, they barely tuck their shirts in.
Sad.

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Thanks for sharing. It's 2013 - let's hope the auxiliary force gets better training. . and are managed/monitored. I know I will be looking for persons who worked like you and your partner!!

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We live in a city with a competent police department, but you can not just pull over anyone with a clayton county tag, or that doesn't "fit" the ideal fayette county resident as so many have described above.

I made a post further down with a list of suggestions that might help. One was to pass a law against hanging pants and loud music. This has been done in other places. These people will not hang out where they are not comfortable. Add in a few undercover officers and regular police patrols and I think things could be turned around. But if we wait too long it'll be too late.

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We rode through the Pavilion tonight around 6:30. I guess not everyone feels as some of the participants in this discussion. The parking lot at the theater was full. Naturally, Walmart's lot was full. Almost all of the other lots had cars in them and there appeared to be the normal activity for that time of day. The parking lots at the Olive Garden and Longhorn were full - as always. La Parillia had the normal amount of cars - with people walking in.

Many excellent suggestions/ constructive ideas regarding the concern for safety of The Pavilion should be shared with City Council, the mall management, and law enforcement . Maybe the editor and/or the reporters at The CItizen will do this.

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We rode through the Pavilion tonight around 6:30. I guess not everyone feels as some of the participants in this discussion. The parking lot at the theater was full. Naturally, Walmart's lot was full. Almost all of the other lots had cars in them and there appeared to be the normal activity for that time of day. The parking lots at the Olive Garden and Longhorn were full - as always. La Parillia had the normal amount of cars - with people walking in.

Many excellent suggestions/ constructive ideas regarding the concern for safety of The Pavilion should be shared with City Council, the mall management, and law enforcement . Maybe the editor and/or the reporters at The CItizen will do this.

How many of the cars at the movie theater with Fayette County tags? We gave up going to that nasty theater with all the rats and hoodlums hanging in there and such. How many of the cars in WalMart were Fayette County?

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Are there still an appreciable number of white people living in Clayton? There were a lot of white people in Olive Garden. I didn't go into Longhorn - but have been there when the majority of customers where 'white'. On Sunday, there are 'white' people in ABC Fayetteville and 'black' people in ABC in the Avenue and IHOP across the road. Customers in both areas appeared to be 'church' goers on Sunday - and probably residents of Fayette County. 20% is more than 1 or 2. RKS - if 20% of black people is too much for you, than it's better for you to leave. As long as people maintain their property; respect one another; and are polite - we will stay.

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How many of the cars at the movie theater with Fayette County tags? We gave up going to that nasty theater with all the rats and hoodlums hanging in there and such

I didn't 'count tags, but ASSUME you meant the majority of cars in the parking lot in the Pavilion were from Clayton County. Gee, there must be a great number of 'white' people in Clayton County who go to the theater with their children on Saturday and Sunday afternoon - or maybe they're from Peachtree City. . ya think? I seldom go to the theater at night - so it may be a different story at that time. Maybe those 'thugs' you saw were residents of Fayetteville? I too have seen thugs in the Pavilion - since 2004. They don't congregate in the parking lots like they used to - and with the additional steps being taken and an observant public/strict penalties for being caught in FC, a change may occur. There are many who hope this will be true. There are many throughout the country/county who are experiencing the rise in crime - and taking steps to protect themselves. Some, like I assume you do, attribute it to persons of another color (black) - most who live adjacent to 'poor'/disadvantaged areas - are aware that they are targets. . and take steps to protect themselves or run. You have stated that you will 'run'. I am happy with my neighbors - and as long as my property value comes back up some, I will stay.

The theater at the Pavilion got rid of the 'rats' some time ago. We go to the matinees - and the theaters and restrooms are spotless.

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Are there still an appreciable number of white people living in Clayton? There were a lot of white people in Olive Garden. I didn't go into Longhorn - but have been there when the majority of customers where 'white'. On Sunday, there are 'white' people in ABC Fayetteville and 'black' people in ABC in the Avenue and IHOP across the road. Customers in both areas appeared to be 'church' goers on Sunday - and probably residents of Fayette County. 20% is more than 1 or 2. RKS - if 20% of black people is too much for you, than it's better for you to leave. As long as people maintain their property; respect one another; and are polite - we will stay.

Here you go again mentioning color. I never said 20% black was too much...where are you getting this stuff from, DM? What I have said and will continue to say is that I won't shop at The Pavilion alone due to the high crime there. I don't want to go someplace where I fear that I will be robbed, thrown to the ground and physically harmed. I don't want to go to a theater that is filthy and full of unsavory people - that has nothing to do with color. You are the one that keeps saying blacks - so don't turn this on me, DM. I am talking about the thugs out of Clayton County. The fact that this current scum that threw this woman to the grounds at Kohl's is black is only a small piece of the puzzle...he's a punk, he's a thug and he went to Clayton County to use her credit cards, probably because he lives there. I would say the same thing if he were white, Asian, etc.....so don't keep twisting it. You don't even know my race, I don't discuss my race or my sex or my age on here, so you are making assumptions.

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Come on liberal' RKS. What would counting the tags tell me? What do you think it tells you? That many shoppers are from Clayton County. Often when referring to the criminals - and using the statistics of number of blacks that commit crimes here in Fayette County and where they are from - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to get the inference when one says ''tags from Clayton County'. That is why I ask you if CC has an inordinate amount of white folks. Sir/lady - you may not be 'racist' - but you have good use of the 'racist' vernacular - as I do.
My great- grandparents and grandparents taught us to stay away from certain types of 'white men' - often stating particularly those in 'pick up trucks'. We have been carefully taught to be racist - and often don't even realize it.

Instead of trying to deny the racism that exists - the younger generation recognizes it and is moving on. It's harder for us 'elder' generation. . .who feel we have been discriminated against - white/black/male/female.

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DM is stuck on race... Even if you don't assign a race component to your post she will add it in where required.. Good luck with that RKS.

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I can only assume based on your words and my perspective. Should I stay away from all white men who drive pick-up trucks or wear hoodies? (I see quite a number at The Avenue and The Pavilion. The suspect of the home invasion was a white man with a 'hoodie' according to the picture in The Citizen. I am not denying statistics - and I certainly am more observant when going to either shopping center. I shared an experience I had at Sam's Club on Sunday. Evidently there are many who can be observant without reference to fear of 'race'. You just don't appear to be one of those from your comments. However, I have not seen more than 20% represented at The Pavilion unless a movie is showing of particular interest to the 'black' community. I guess our 'green' is still appreciated. The most thugs I've seen have been selling drugs in the parking lot - and that certainly didn't represent 20% of the population in Fayette County. I hope that I hear from The Citizen soon. If not, the Mayors Office has given me permission (in fact encouraged me) to share with everyone the steps taken to stem the problem of crime in The Pavilion.

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I can only assume based on your words and my perspective. Should I stay away from all white men who drive pick-up trucks or wear hoodies? (I see quite a number at The Avenue and The Pavilion. The suspect of the home invasion was a white man with a 'hoodie' according to the picture in The Citizen. I am not denying statistics - and I certainly am more observant when going to either shopping center. I shared an experience I had at Sam's Club on Sunday. Evidently there are many who can be observant without reference to fear of 'race'. You just don't appear to be one of those from your comments. However, I have not seen more than 20% represented at The Pavilion unless a movie is showing of particular interest to the 'black' community. I guess our 'green' is still appreciated. The most thugs I've seen have been selling drugs in the parking lot - and that certainly didn't represent 20% of the population in Fayette County. I hope that I hear from The Citizen soon. If not, the Mayors Office has given me permission (in fact encouraged me) to share with everyone the steps taken to stem the problem of crime in The Pavilion.

No need for you to make any assumptions about me. I am a bed wetting liberal, just like you, who is sick and tired of living in a crime ridden city. I have been in this town longer than you have and have seen the way it's been going. Yes, I am aware of the thug that raped the woman is a white man in a hoodie and I am aware of the color of any of the people they put on the paper because they show me the picture. If you think I am "fearful" of a race, then you don't know me very well. What I am, is sick and tired of the crime in this city. I haven't "run" anywhere, I am here and I choose not to go to certain places alone because of the crime. As far as should you stay away of men in pick ups, do as you wish, but don't assume that I am a racist, because you are entirely wrong. What I am: "Sick to death of how the thugs have ruined my town." that's what I am. You can be any color of the rainbow and be a thug.

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One has to take further steps to find out how to solve a problem than to express righteous frustration on a blog.
The Mayor, DDR, and our Police Dept. are doing what they can under the current financial situation. I choose to continue to go to The Pavilion as long as I feel safe and I know that our leaders are doing what they can. If their plan and our cooperation with them does not work - then businesses will be closed - because residents of Fayetteville will not support The Pavilion. So far, even in this economy where there are empty storefronts everywhere, the Pavilion is 'hanging in there'. Sorry if I lumped you with Kawfi and SL.

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One has to take further steps to find out how to solve a problem than to express righteous frustration on a blog.
The Mayor, DDR, and our Police Dept. are doing what they can under the current financial situation. I choose to continue to go to The Pavilion as long as I feel safe and I know that our leaders are doing what they can. If their plan and our cooperation with them does not work - then businesses will be closed - because residents of Fayetteville will not support The Pavilion. So far, even in this economy where there are empty storefronts everywhere, the Pavilion is 'hanging in there'. Sorry if I lumped you with Kawfi and SL.

Again, you assume that I am only "expressing righteous frustration" on a blog. You don't know me, so don't keep assuming. You feel safe at the Pavillion, I don't, so we disagree on that - doesn't give you the right to assume I am racist and merely running my mouth here. I have every right to express my opinion here on this blog and what else I do may or may not get expressed in print.

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You're absolutely right. I just shared what steps I took - and what my plans are.

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We rode through the Pavilion tonight around 6:30. I guess not everyone feels as some of the participants in this discussion. The parking lot at the theater was full. Naturally, Walmart's lot was full. Almost all of the other lots had cars in them and there appeared to be the normal activity for that time of day. The parking lots at the Olive Garden and Longhorn were full - as always. La Parillia had the normal amount of cars - with people walking in.

My concern is not with the Pavilion today. If the crime stops the Pavilion will be fine. My concern is what will happen to the Pavilion in the future if crime does not stop. Will those same parking lots stay full? We can be pro-active or ignore the situation and hope it fixes itself. And it is possible that it will. But not probable.

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Some proactive steps are being taken.

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I've shared the steps with The Citizen. If they don't share the information - I will. I'm sure they are validating my information.

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Some proactive steps are being taken.

Care to elaborate?

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The Mayors Office and DDR Project Manager responded to my inquiries today. This is what was shared:

1) Increasing Police patrols of on duty officers through the Pavilion.
2) Shift change roll call is being performed at the Pavilion, weather permitting, rather than at the Police HQ.
3)Parking a police car in the Pavilion that will be moved periodically throughout the day.
4) Increasing patrols by the Fayette Police Auxiliary, these folks do not have arrest powers but are equipped wit police radios so that they can report on any improper activity and thus function as force multipliers for the Police.
5) Patrols by off duty officers paid for by DDR, the owners of the Pavilion.
6) Support from the Sheriff's office for increased patrols through and to the north of the Pavilion.
7) Installation of license plate cameras at the main entrances to the Pavilion.
8) At our city retreat in Feb. we voted to add at least one additional police officer per year to the police department. This will obviously take years to have a significant impact, but has us headed in the right direction.

Some of these actions will bear fruit sooner than others, but we feel that these steps will tend to reduce crime over the next few weeks and months. Meanwhile, I am happy to report that the perpetrators of most of the serious crimes have been apprehended. With the court system in Fayette County, I would expect those criminals to be off the streets for a long while. Hopefully if the word gets out that if you do the crime in FC, expect to serve time, that too will discourage additional crime.

Again, thank you for your concern. Obviously the police can't be everywhere, so a vigilant public is another important aspect to apprehending criminals. If you see anything out of the ordinary, please report it promptly and encourage your friends to do likewise.

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You just posted information that the Police and Sheriffs office may not wanted the thugs to know about. Now they will avoid the Pavillion and pick other targets like individuals sitting quietly in their homes since they now know that there will be less police presence in the neighborhoods.

Thanks a pantload, DM! The Nazis would have loved to have you working with them during WWII.

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I was asked to share the information. The Police have issued a press release. The Pavilion is not being used as a 'catch 'em' point. The plan that is being shared throughout the county hopefully will discourage criminals. A 'tough' court system and an aware public is certainly important. To do nothing and expect change is 'stupid'.

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I hate shopping there because it is over run by all of the hoodlems who go there, especially the movie theatre. i prefer to keep my family safe.

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You have a shopping center and numerous malls in ptc. Why do you even come to Fayetteville?

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I think there is already a State or County law limiting music to a certain decibel level---but who monitors/polices that?

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That would be a great start. Only draw back would be for the need for more patrols and officers because they would constantly be busy at first giving them all tickets. And the first thing to go wrong and the police take an extra minute getting there someone would cry out they could have been here 3 minutes earlier if they weren't wasting time arresting people with their pants too low. I think it would be well worth it in the end!! I also like the mandatory gun owner thing that the other county did up in north GA, granted its a much smaller county. I also like the other suggestion about roadblocks...if only it didn't hold up traffic...maybe late night hours? After peak rush hour times? That would be terrific, and safe for our county. I stopped at one on Ellison road not long ago, right after the rape. I wouldn't mind at all doing that more often, just to get the unlicensed and uninsured off the road. Makes me feel safer and its good to see the police out and about like that.

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That would be a great start. Only draw back would be for the need for more patrols and officers because they would constantly be busy at first giving them all tickets. And the first thing to go wrong and the police take an extra minute getting there someone would cry out they could have been here 3 minutes earlier if they weren't wasting time arresting people with their pants too low. I think it would be well worth it in the end!!

Just think of all the revenue that could be generated for Fayetteville with those tickets. Not to mention improving the shopping environment and reducing crime!!!! I think the city could afford a little overtime for a while with this revenue and the officers could make a little extra money. A win-win for everyone except the thugs.

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Fayetteville residents need to flood the next city council meeting and demand a full all out war on crime at the Pavillion. Allow the police to coordinate with the sheriff and go all out fining and arresting all offenders. Tip the news after the second or third day of all the arrests. Make it well known that crime in Fayette county will be punished. Plant an empty police vehicle at an entrance and move it every day to make it appear that it's occupied. Plant fear in the criminals.

No one in my family has shopped at the Pavillion in a long time due to the crime. When we shop, we travel to Newnan, where we feel safer.

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The Fayetteville I know

In the Fayetteville I know the retail centers go to pot and new ones are built further on up the road. And when those go to pot, new ones are built further on up the road. The pavillion is simply part of the Fayetteville model.

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Police roadblocks

If law enforcement would set up random and frequent road blocks on 314 headed south and 85 headed south at the entrance to The Pavillion there would most likely be a lack of room in the Fayette County jail after car searches, tag and license checks, etc. Continue the road blocks as long as it takes for the word to get around that it is too risky for criminals to come to Fayette County. That was a reputation we once had. Now that has changed and ask a Realtor how many people want to buy a house in Fayetteville. The population of Fayetteville goes down... Businesses go down... School enrollment goes down... Schools close... People move... Sound familiar? It's time for our law enforcement to set up the road blocks and bring back the reputation to Fayetteville that criminals don't want to cross the county line.

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Reputation of Fayette County

In the '80's. If you're black - don't get caught there at night. Is that the reputation you are talking about? When we told relatives we were moving to Fayette County, they shook their heads. Except for the 'stuff' shared here - they (my relatives) were wrong. It is obvious that there are those who are afraid of diversity - and feel that somehow if they live near or associate with a person of color, they lose some sort of 'power'. I have found that in reality, there are very few citizens who react like that in Fayetteville or Peachtree City - but those who do are well represented in some Citizen discussions.

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If you are a criminal

Do not get caught here is more like it. It is not always about being black.

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That's the message /reputation for FC in 2013!! I know for a fact that's what my residential community is working on.

(70% white-30% - other). Much like the rest of Fayette County. We're neighbors who 'watch out' for each other.. The kids get along, proud of their schools, and also want to join the adults in keeping the community safe. Do you know of any community that feels different? Let's unite!

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Crimes Escalation a direct relationship with racial compostion

I resided in Fayette from 1987 until 2003,during the latter years ran a teen club part time called Jitterbuggers. The one time I tried to be liberal and offer a private hip hop party the facility was trashed 100 showed up I was stiffed by the party goer for $250.00 and when evicting older non invited guest hastily got kids back inside when these 3 20+ thugs drove off and shot at building. This was located on 300 Tivoli down from the Pit stop off of Hwy 34 in PTC.

Later I relocated to the Eastside Georgia area and have been involved in education. A recent incident in a Elementary school here.4 boys skipped their 5th grade class. A young hispanic student informed the teacher of possiblity they were in bathroom and upon investigation the 4 were found in restroom , one on floor with large bump on head. Major write up of assualt and internal punishment. These same 4 were later intimidating the young hispanic male who told on them. These kids are destined for Rockdale Middle school and the other will go a a middle school in Newton.

Rockdale went from 90% white racial makeup in 2000 Census to about 85% black in 2010 census even higher % now. Rampant crime similar to the situation at Kohls at Fayette Pavilion reported every day and violence escalation in schools is a major concern for Safety and parents and students very vocal.

In Fayette please bring about more police on duty, bring about maximum punishments in school for student fights and assualts, bring about more neighborhood watches and realize that the liberal media that perpetuates the myth of" Diversity is strength" tends to have their roots in wealthy walled off communities far from the "tragedy of Transition" counties such as Fayette apparently are enduring. Dekalb county Ga now 90% black was one time the best county in Metro Atlanta before white flight, gang takeovers of the schools and diversity tolerance destroyed them financially and in education leadership. Business can not tolerate abuse of customers and yes fight back to protect your rights..Chuck Norris is one of my heros and I would not hesitate to give a round house kick to the face if I am attacked .

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I refuse...

...to put my family at risk for shopping convenience, or to "be a part of the solution and fight back" as one post said. We choose to fight back via capitalism and freedom...shop where it is safe, be aware and alert at all times, and EMPTY THE CLIP WHEN NECESSARY.

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brooksdad: Totally agree

I have a gun and a concealed carry permit. I'm not itching to use it on somebody and prefer to go shop at places where I'm more concerned about what I'm buying than protecting myself or being on constant alert against potential crime.

I'm a very unlikely target because I'm really tall and a big dude, but that sometimes doesn't mean anything to a thug hopped-up on crack or meth. I just choose to go where I don't have to encounter the scum in general. I'd say there are several places walking around in downtown Atlanta much safer than the Pavilion for that matter.

It's not up to ME to clean up the mess. I have freedom to go wherever I want to and move where I feel comfortable. If I was still in my 20's, I probably would think differently on this but I'm in my 50's and screw being a crusader for justice.

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Part of the problem...

..."Martinsville, VA councilwoman Sharon Brooks-Hodge was offended by one patch on a student-designed quilt that had a black stick-figure to exemplify a lack of knowledge and a large golden stick figure to signify success and intelligence."

http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/04/black-news/councilwoman-offended-b...

..and yes the NAACP is now involved.

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A Solution... Thank God for Dixie

Alabama Senate votes to Nullify All Federal Gun Control Measures, 24-6

http://beforeitsnews.com/libertarian/2013/04/alabama-senate-votes-to-nul...

Senate Bill 93 (SB93) declares that “All federal acts, laws, orders, rules, or regulations regarding firearms are a violation of the Second Amendment,” and therefore, “are invalid in this state, shall not be recognized by this state, are specifically rejected by this state, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in this state.”

More armed citizens that shop in the pavilion. Don't need more security then now would we..?

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SL, add my home state...

...of Kansas to this list of State bodies pushing back against the unconstitutional acts of our Federal gov't; I believe there are 7-8 states pursuing the same tactic. Holder & his Nazis are prepping the court case as we speak.

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Yep..States are finally re-discovering the 10th...

...funny how when you actually read the Constitution you find that the Federal powers are restricted and that you actually have Rights that they don't control.

States are re-learning that, as well.

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Pavilion danger.....

In the late 70's when I moved here crime was minimal. You never had to keep your head on a swivel when walking to and from stores. The general perception back then was that the lowlifes knew this was the wrong place to commit violent crimes. Somehow word seemed to spread amongst the predators.

Well, those days are over. Maybe the game-changer these days would be 3 or 4 well-publicized occurrences of victims turning the tables on these worthless pieces of you-know-what. Proof in pictures of some thugs laying in the parking lot in pools of their own blood might start the word to spread again.

These cowards are routinely targeting women walking alone. You ask why the solution would be them dying as a result of their own actions? What else would deter a lazy, opportunistic predator who has found it reasonable and acceptable to stick a gun in a stranger's face and demand what is not theirs? Arrest? Prison time? Public humiliation? Apparently not.....

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Unsafe at any price?

DDR (the management company) needs to step up and take some visible steps to improve safety and security or their well-to-do clientele that they are so proud of will start going to safer places to spend their money. Cameras and a significant armed security presence would be a good start. Close off those back northbound exits so that the thugs can't make their escape unseen.

The Pavilion is already gaining a reputation as an "urban" destination, which was Southlake's fate, and that mall is full of empty space and surrounded by blight. According to DDR's own information, there is currently 125k+/- sq ft of unoccupied space in the Pavilion in 11 separate units. Without DDR making some changes, the Pavilion will inevitably lose upscale stores. Best Buy has already scampered away.

I've already asked my significant other to travel to PTC if she is shopping alone. We already go to NGC to watch movies in a thug-free environment. The theater in the Pavilion is just an unacceptably risky destination, especially after dark.

Time to invest in the Pavilion, DDR. If I don't feel safe, I'm not going to be spending my money there. It's as simple as that.

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Weighing in on the Pavilion, Crime and Fayetteville...

Unfortunately, this discussion has been fruitless because all anyone wants to do is compain and assign blame. That is why places that were as pleasant as Fayetteville at one time go to pot. Everyone sits back and waits for someone else to do something about it while they moan and complain and point fingers.
Having lived in 2 major American metropolitan areas before landing here, I have experienced the following: Fact-Crime comes with big cities. Fact-The big city with its crime has grown right into our community. Fact- People who have lived in the community for years react in one of three ways - a)they run scared thereby leaving room for the criminal element to move in; or b)they sit back and watch it happen and expect someone else to handle the problems; or c) they learn what they can do to make their community stronger, safer and livable.
I choose to be a "c" kind of resident and not a victim of big city sprawl.
You want cops in the Pavilion, lobby and push your government to make it happen. You want to be left alone by the criminals? Stop acting like victims..be aware of your surroundings- walk with an air of confidence, don't shop alone at night, dont put yourself in dangerous situations,and fight back! (An attacker is always going to take the path of least resistance.)
Just my 2 cents...from someone who has seen it all before.

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I'll join the C path!

I'll join the C path! Fayetteville is a great city with wonderful citizens. To allow thugs to run us off is not the American way.
Fayetteville is a diverse city - let's all get together and use the good suggestions that have been shared here and fight back!
Our schools are great, our city is clean - let's show that The Pavilion can be safe. City Council - some leadership here please.
Chanel 2 covered the story. Let's give them a story of how a united community can fight back!

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Citizens working together

Went to Sam's Club on the west end of Fayette County - past PTC. As we were leaving, a young man approached wanting to sell me some tickets. I politely refused, he said thank you and I continued walking. A lady approached me with a smile on her face and advised me to 'watch my purse'. ( I was carelessly allowing it to hang on my shoulder). I thanked her. . .and carried my purse in a more secure manner. This is cooperation and fighting back against crime - and has nothing to do with race. I was the only black person in this scenario. Good citizens can work together in preventing crime by being observant and protective of one another. I had lunch at ABC in the Pavilion today. Saw the same people I usually see there after church services. La Parillia was setting up for Cinco de Mayo celebration. The parking lots at Olive Garden and The Longhorn were full. What is happening to The Pavilion and in areas that border disadvantaged communities throughout our country is tragic. . . . . but can be dealt with. We cannot become complacent and allow criminals/domestic terrorists to disrupt our peace and cause us to live in fear. Lots of good suggestions here. No need to hate. Fayetteville and PTC are good American communities.

Congratulations to MacIntosh High School 's music department! Outstanding student performance this weekend! There is so much talent in FC!

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DM - C path

You're dreaming again, you can wake up now. Reality awaits you.

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Discipline

Proverbs 13:24 from the bible states "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them."

The parent of the worthless cowards that prey on the innocent at the Pavilion obviously hate their children, otherwise they would have disciplined them and taught them not to do this kind of thing.

If the community has to get involved to discipline these criminals because the single parent raising them hates them, I am all for it. It just so happens that the rod of discipline that I carry is liscensed and loaded with ammunition. I love these thugs with the love of God enough to use it to discipline them.

Hallelujah!

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Unfortunately, this discussion has been fruitless because all anyone wants to do is compain and assign blame. That is why places that were as pleasant as Fayetteville at one time go to pot. Everyone sits back and waits for someone else to do something about it while they moan and complain and point fingers.
Having lived in 2 major American metropolitan areas before landing here, I have experienced the following: Fact-Crime comes with big cities. Fact-The big city with its crime has grown right into our community. Fact- People who have lived in the community for years react in one of three ways - a)they run scared thereby leaving room for the criminal element to move in; or b)they sit back and watch it happen and expect someone else to handle the problems; or c) they learn what they can do to make their community stronger, safer and livable.
I choose to be a "c" kind of resident and not a victim of big city sprawl.
You want cops in the Pavilion, lobby and push your government to make it happen. You want to be left alone by the criminals? Stop acting like victims..be aware of your surroundings- walk with an air of confidence, don't shop alone at night, dont put yourself in dangerous situations,and fight back! (An attacker is always going to take the path of least resistance.)
Just my 2 cents...from someone who has seen it all before.

Can you elaborate on item C?

I really doubt this woman thought she was putting herself in a dangerous situation by shopping at 10 am on a Saturday morning. I really doubt the woman who was raped last week in Tyrone thought that going to the store in mid-day was putting herself in a dangerous situation. I really doubt that the two ladies who went to visit a friend at a nursing home mid morning on a weekday thought that there would be anything dangerous about parking in a parking lot of a nursing home and going in for a visit. I could go on and on about the crime of the last couple of years to people who were merely going about their daily routines/shopping, etc. So, I don't know that I can buy into what you are saying will deter crime.

Fighting back can get you killed....if someone grabs your purse, your are better off letting them have it so they don't pop a cap in your head. What makes you think this woman wasn't walking with an air of confidence?

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Tyrone rape, last week

The woman raped in Tyrone last week was doing her exercise walk, returned home at 10 AM, walked in her house and found the perpetrator standing in her kitchen. It was a home invasion/rape. She was not out shopping.

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Fighting back can get you killed...

Yes as can not fighting back. And not fighting back will cause an increase in crime as criminals will continue to feed where the feeding is easy. More police will help but will not stop the problem alone. Face it, there is a certain group that killed Shannon Mall, then moved to Southlake and killed it. Now they are here. Increased private security will increase cost and kill the business in the Pavilion just as surely as the increase in crime. Most people will just go elsewhere in either instance. So what can we do? My suggestions:

1. Place plain clothed undercover police in the Pavilion.
2. Don't shop alone. At least not for a while.
3. If you have a weapon and know how to use it carry it.
4. If you see something suspicious report it.
5. Place emergency phones and camera's in the parking lots.
6. Staff the Fire/police station with a patrol car and police.
7. Pass a law against loud music and hanging pants and let the police enforce it.

Make it a place that these people don't want to be. It's either this or run again and rest assured these thugs will follow.

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G35 Dude - Why?

Why should we have to do all this when we can simply shop somewhere safer?

Why should we risk bodily harm when picking up milk in the middle of the day?

It is up to the Pavilion to convince us that they have their crime problem under control. They are in business to satisfy customer wants and needs. This includes being able to use their property safely. If they can do this, then we will shop somewhere else. It's up to them to figure out how to do it. It's up to their customers to be rational when shopping by weighing all the risks and rewards of using their campus.

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As I noted in my post above there seems to be a certain group that is "following the money" so to speak. When we abandon the Pavilion and go elsewhere they will follow as they did from Shannon and Southlake. As for many of my suggestions above where personal action is advocated, I'd advocate those actions anywhere in today's world. But you are correct in that it's up to you to choose.

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G35 Dude - Correct

Most people choose to be more safe than less safe. You are correct that criminals will simply follow the money. That's what predators do. This is why we have high crime areas, "transitional areas" and low crime areas. I also think it has something to do with population density but that's just an opinion. Have you ever seen rats in an overcrowded cage? They eat each other.

So, at the end of the day it is all about who survives and who doesn't. I submit that people are rational and they will simply move away from crime. Your "solutions" at best will only delay the outcome but it won't stop it.

DM intention is good, but she is mistaken that a "united" community can stop it. People that subsist on government have distorted values and it is generational in nature. Having a government to "make life easy", corrupts the soul, it steals dignity, it shuns personal responsibility in favor of dependency. In this government sponsored dependent world it is a way of life to simply take and not work.

You appear to be pretty rational, what will you do when you home is broken into, your wife robbed at gunpoint or you are car jacked? You know what you will do. You won't put up with it.

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A united community and country stopped the growth of the KKK
A united community and country stopped frequent drive bys by whites in black communities.

The shame of communities and our country is allowing our enemy to use our Achilles Heel (race relations) to get Americans to fight one another. The populations in Fayette County is White- 72.7%; Black - 20.8%. The change in population from April 2010 - July-2012 is 0 .9%. The median household income is $81,498. Persons below the poverty level - 2007/2011 (5.9%)

This is a community of 'the haves' being attacked by the 'have nots'. There has been no grand sale of government purchased homes in Fayette County for Section 8 participants. The homes that are being built now will not be sold to those who can't qualify for a loan. At present, homes are selling and home prices are 'sneaking up'. We may have to again pay a higher property tax due to the increased value of our homes after the loss of value during the recession.

The crime in the urban areas are not race related but gang/thugs preying on their own. We can fight back by not acting like victims. Yes, there are those who would make this a race hatred thing, and the news media will love it! It hurts to see Channel 2 and some here to completely ignore that some of the citizens here that are not white have the same concerns regarding their familiy's security as all citizens. The thugs/ criminals are equal opportunity predators. We're all subject to being attacked. The idea that a diverse American community in 2013 cannot unite to protect itself is the enemies dream come true. A strong,diverse, Christian-based southern community in 2013 cannot be a victim!

The home invader, according to The Citizen sketch, did not fit the usual predator profile.
I feel there are more citizens who realize that we are not being attacked by our neighbors. Don't allow racism to separate Fayette County neighbors. This community can work together by putting into action some of the suggestions that have been shared here. Business leaders, church leaders, community leaders, citizens - working together with law enforcement - we shouldn't have to give up local convenient shopping to feel safe.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13113.html

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Wrong again DM, it was enforcement of the law that did those things. Law enforcement requires resources and the federal government provided those resources including the National Guard and the federal judicial system to enforce the law.

This is a different matter, people will move because it is rational to move. People simply want to feel safe where they live and shop. There won't be any massive influx of police to rid us of the scourge, it will become a loosing proposition. This has been shown time after time after time, you merely need to look at most of the urban city areas to see it. To deny this fact is to deny reality.....which I might add you're pretty good at doing. Go ahead and stick your finger in the dike, it can't hurt, but it certainly won't stop it either.

Do I like it? Of course not, but it is reality nonetheless.

Can you explain why you think the urbanization of Fayette County will be any different? Would you pick up your family and move to Clayton County? Fulton County? No you moved here because it was safe and a welcoming community. Now we have random acts of violence that we did not see before, these acts will increase in numbers and frequency and if you are rational you will move. You may deny reality but in the end I think you are rational.

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Wrong again DM, it was enforcement of the law that did those things. Law enforcement requires resources and the federal government provided those resources including the National Guard and the federal judicial system to enforce the law.

What laws are you referring to?

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Why DM!

The Constitution of the United States of America.

You know the law that protects your Rights?

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A united community and country stopped the growth of the KKK
A united community and country stopped frequent drive bys by whites in black communities.

Come to reality PTCO! The Constitution of the United States of America was established before the 1960's.
What established my rights here in the south was the media exposure of what the southern law enforcement was doing to lawfully protesting citizens who opposed Jim Crow practices. Those citizens were white and black - all Americans. That was a 'finger in the dike' action. Non-violent fingers can be effective.

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asked what law, I told you what law.

You sure do get off on tangents don't you?

Crime has no color DM, I am talking about what rational people will do in the face of crime. We are not talking about the civil rights movement.

Go put your finger in the dike, it won't do any good. The reality about crime DM is that people will move away from it.

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The law in this country is based on our Constitution. My mentioning the Constitution was because you stated that the KKK and such were stopped because of the 'law' - the Constitution. My response to you was that the Constitution has been around since way before 1960 - and what stopped the KKK and such was the media exposure to the 'law' enforcement in the south and what they were doing to American citizens - black and white'- who were protesting non-violently for their 'rights' under the law (Constitution). Civil rights is not just for 'blacks' - but for all citizens under the law.. . and will be discussed and acted upon long after we have somehow passed this 'race relations' problem. There is a not so subtle inclination to assume that black people in Fayette County are the cause of the crime. This is an insult to your black neighbors that some of you claim to be so friendly with. Citizens of Fayette County who are 'black' are just as concerned about the encroaching crime problem - but you must read other media from around the nation. What is happening in Fayette County unfortunately is not unique. Crime is escalating - and assigning the blame to 'blacks', the poor, and assuming no claim at all for it is foolish. Crime happens when people allow themselves to be unprotected, unaware of their surroundings, etc. Wonderful families who have lived in peaceful, rural areas with extensive security regalia have been murdered by criminals. I say, let those who seek safer communities - go. I have already stated why I will stay - and work with the business,community and church leaders to keep Fayette County a role model for living in the south,

Diversity is here. Leaders in minority communities are struggling to teach the Golden Rule - not do as you were done unto. Demographics have changed. We must all respect one another - not fear one another. That is the 'dream' of America. I showed this to a group of teens today (the blog). They laughed. Their comments - we know how to get along - we're living the American dream. When 'you' folks are gone, this stuff will be history, I hope they're right!!

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said nothing about race, you did.

I am talking about crime. People will move away from it DM. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

You won't be able to stop it by "united communities".

Overwhelming law enforcement will stop it, using the law against criminals aggressively will stop it, but united communities won't. If we have overwhelming response by law enforcement against crime and we are willing to pay for it then we can stop it. If we ignore the race of the criminals and concentrate on what they do, how they do it, when they do it, then maybe we can stop it. As long as we argue about why we have crime then we are all wasting time on the theoretical and we're not solving our immediate problem.

So, I would advise you as you put your finger in the dike of "united communities", start ignoring race and focus (if you can) on crime.

You won't have a lot of time for this as the housing market is improving and people will be looking to move to safer areas. "Overwhelming response, overwhelming response", keep repeating this over and over DM.

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What is your definition of 'united communities'?

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If we have overwhelming response by law enforcement against crime and we are willing to pay for it then we can stop it. If we ignore the race of the criminals and concentrate on what they do, how they do it, when they do it, then maybe we can stop it. As long as we argue about why we have crime then we are all wasting time on the theoretical and we're not solving our immediate problem.

Why can't a 'united community' do the above?

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"United Community" is just so much blabber, police on the street and plenty of them, is action. This coupled with an expedited judiciary should do the trick and send a message to criminals that they simply should move on to easier pickings.

As to the Pavilion, the owners of this property should get their collective act together and get some armed private guards on their property in force. There needs to be force and plenty of it from both the police and the property owner. The "community" can just "talk".

I say again, we don't have much time to get this done, people I know are already talking loads about how Fayette in general is changing and are planning to move. Oh yes, it doesn't have one thing to do with race DM, it's ALL about crime.

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It can, until the community loses interest

See Clayton County for reference. Hopefully folks will quit making excuses and not let it happen here. I know people in Cobb/Gwinnett who feel the same way.

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Let's do it! We all need to be part of the overwhelming response.

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I have witnessed 'white flight' in the 50's and '60's in LA. Middle class blacks moved into middle class neighborhoods and the whites ran to the ocean and/or the valley. Today, those middle class neighborhoods which were maintained, are now being integrated with middle class whites who want to live closer to the city - and know the difference between skin color and character. Homes that sold for 20-40 thousand dollars in the mid fifties, are now being sold for 1 million. These neighborhoods are integrated and developing into united communities. Yes, they employ Neighborhood Watch techniques and additional security - but that is the reality of urban living today. FC is adjacent to a metropolitan community. It is a suberb- with all the advantages and disadvantages. It is known throughout GA as a middle class community. As long as leaders/planners do not allow low cost housing to dominate this county, it will remain middle class, regardless of the color of the occupants. After WWII, whites ran from some established neighborhoods in Atlanta. The black community has maintained those beautiful areas for over 50 years - and now some whites want to purchase homes there. Yes, there is reverse racism present. . . But soon there will be integration in the Cascades. Some of you need to take a ride through Country Lakes. You may see a home you like and in this market get a good deal. (If you don't mind black neighbors who have pride in their homes.). That's a reality that I have lived. The 20% of FC's population are not terrorists or represent the 5% that are on welfare in this county. Check it out. Now if this community cannot continue the unity that I have witnessed here in some churches, some organizations, some neighborhoods - then this is not the America that many envision. What happened yesteryear is not the path that the younger generation wishes to take.

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Reverse Racism?
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Yes, there is reverse racism present.

Reverse racism? No such thing. Racism is racism. Don't try to sugar-coat it by trying to explain it as something opposite of racism.
The attack at Kohls that traumatized that poor white woman was a hate crime perpetuated by racism against white people.

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HOw do you know, Joe?
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Yes, there is reverse racism present.

Reverse racism? No such thing. Racism is racism. Don't try to sugar-coat it by trying to explain it as something opposite of racism.
The attack at Kohls that traumatized that poor white woman was a hate crime perpetuated by racism against white people.

Joe, how do you know this? You talked to the perp about it? Could it be he was just looking for an easy victim and she was it?

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Pull your head out. When a white person attacks a black person, it is always called a hate crime. It works both ways, Jaggoff.

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I believe that if I had been that woman who was attacked - my race would not have stopped the criminal. Maybe Joe doesn't really understand 'reverse racism'. There was an article in Ebony magazine years ago regarding the residential area in Atlanta called The Cascades. This is an area that is populated by black leaders and professionals. New homes have been built in the area - and the developer asked if 'whites' would be welcomed. I was surprised at some of the answers. When looking for our home here - we were told that Country Lakes was almost comparable to The Cascades. (This was in 2002) - and that it was 'black'. The ignorance of racism is not confined to one group. However, I respect the pride in ownership and history of an area that is held by the residents of The Cascades and Country Lakes. (There may be some white residents in Country Lakes today.)

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A definition of 'reverse racism'

I wish I could say there is no such thing. There may be some who don't want to admit that minorities and women can discriminate against 'white' and/or 'males - but that is not dealing with the real world. Until we learn to 'do unto others' we are in trouble . Crime is crime - and many will be in a lot more trouble if you call all crime against another 'race' and/or gender a hate crime - there will be a lot more people in jail, since the penalties are greater.. Maybe that's a good thing!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Reverse+racism

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Try this.

It's so much fun to get you to post and display your remarkable academic ability! LOL

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reverse%20discrimination

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You can't even get your definitions right. You posted a definition of 'reverse discrimination' from the "Free Dictionary", which isn't even a recognized authority of the English language. (remember, you gots to factualize!)

Both terms are non-sensical and used by minorities to soften the definition of their own hate. You are either racist, or discrimintitory, or in your case, both.

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Not for Joe

To those who have lived through the generations of 'white supremacy/power' it may be difficult to imagine that there are those who would discriminate against 'whites' -

Quote:

"What separates white racism from any other form …is [its] ability…to become lodged in the minds of and perceptions of the citizenry," Wise explains. "White perceptions are what end up counting in a white-dominated society. If whites say Indians are savages, then by God, they'll be seen as savages. If Indians say whites are mayonnaise-eating Amway salespeople, who the hell is going to care?"

The demographics are changing - and the younger generation realizes that 'whites' will not dominate in the 21st century - and they don't want a REVERSE RACISM to take hold. Use whatever dictionary you want - the reality is that 'racist' attitudes , no matter how hard you try to instill them on this board - are not going to hold up in the 21st century in this country. People see Joe for who and what he is - and what he preaches. There are those who are challenging his antiquated hatred.

Judge people by their actions - not their color. The majority of minorities in this country have had a good experience with individual white persons in this country - certainly during the Civil Righrs Movement. Minorities were not alone. We have also been exposed to the likes of Joe. Don't worry kids - the Joe Kawi's will fade away.

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The black community has

The black community has maintained those beautiful areas for over 50 years? I'm sorry but you are delusional. I grew up in Clayton County. I know first hand what happens to communities. I now see it happening in Fayetteville. It makes me really sad to admit this but I think our city is done. The Clayton County cars we see parked all throughout the Pavillion have turned our shopping center into a crime-ridden, undesirable place. I know for a fact that the decent, hard working people in this city are driving an extra 20 minutes to shop in PTC. Believe me, I'm not happy about this one bit. To say that it makes me sad to lose Fayetteville is an understatement. But the folks who now travel to PTC aren't coming back, no matter what happens at the Pavillion to deter crime. The Pavillion now belongs to Riverdale. Period.

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Just visit Country Lakes. Clayton County is history. As I look at my neighbors children playing peacefully on our street, and our neighbors working together to keep our community safe, I realize that your caliber of American will run - so as not to be associated with those they consider 'underclass'. Bye! With the infusion of college students and the movie industry, property values will go up as well as the caliber of citizen. Bye Kem, you'll be out of place in an integrated middle class southern community in the 21st century.

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Sorry DM

Country Lakes has done well in maintaining its home values and that is no doubt a testament to the homeowners there. The problem is that your surrounding neighborhoods are Nothridge(ugh), Lafayette Estates(went to hell long ago) and Dix-Lee'On(once great, now pretty so-so). The whole area surrounding it is NOT thriving, DM, and hasn't for quite a while.

The biggest problem is Country Lakes and the other other subdivisions sit right next to the line of Fayette, Clayton and Fulton. Old National Highway. An abysmal strip shopping center right there with a bar that seems to attract thugs instead of decent people. Even the churches are griping about how their parking lots adjacent to that shopping center are being used.

Hang around and fight the good fight, DM, and good luck. I'd get the hell out of there before the property values crash like they have in the surrounding subdivisions for several years. It's coming to that whole area and I don't see any way to stop it without erecting a barrier right at the Fayette Co line and 314 that would stretch up to the Clayton Co line.

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Reverse racism in action maybe

My understanding is there was a concerted effort to keep Country Lakes 'black' and middle class . It's a free country, and I respect your decision. I'll stay with my neighbors, my church and my community activities and shop on line or enjoy Lenox and Phipps. ( but I'll also work with those leaders who want to save the biusinesses in the Pavilion). I went to Dillard's in Newnan. I guess some thought I was from Riverdale, and now they'll start to run too. You know what, it's disgusting when you realize that Americans still judge by the color of the skin. To think that ALL citizens don't resent the criminal activities in the Pavilion, and see the only solution is to rid this city of 'blacks' is so 20th century. Most comments here express that thought. In talking with other citizens in this county, I think that those stuck in the past will leave and those who see the reality of the diversity in FC will reap the benefits of the new businesses and citizens who are scheduled to arrive. The 20% black citizens who live here are not part of the 5% on welfare or residents of Clayton County or Riverdale.

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DM: What did anything I say have to do with race whatsoever?

I said that Country Lakes unfortunately is right near the border of Fayette/Clayton/Fulton. That has nothing to do with the race of anyone that lives in the subdivision at all.

Why do you make every discussion into a racial argument?

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C'mon, NUK...

...you KNOW her agenda on this; everything is race-based.

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