What about Marine held in Mexican jail?

Some reports state that there are 25 to 30 million illegal aliens in the United States today. Regardless of what any reader believes, feels, is outraged about, disgusted, or even saying this is okay, what about Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi?

Sgt. Tahmooressi is a decorated U.S. Marine who has served two tours in Afghanistan. A veteran, who unintentionally crossed over the Mexican border, was arrested by Mexican police who threw an illegal weapons charge on him, and is now held in a prison near Tijuana.

This border continues to have millions crossing into the U.S. every day, legally or not. Children are now crossing from Mexico to the U.S. by themselves, because their parents know that the U.S. will take care of them. And, we do.

Mexican prisons are known to be among the roughest and toughest. In comparison, prisons throughout America are pretty pristine and yes, prisoners are treated with some kind of human decency.

In Mexico, prisons are quite the opposite. Staying alive is very difficult. Drinking water is very hard to obtain, rats are everywhere and slop as food is questionable while the prison itself is very, very unclean.

There are neither televisions, courts to play basketball nor all the other luxuries afforded by our U.S. tax dollars to prisons in America. Mexican prisoners hate Americans and will do them much harm.

So, it was quite astonishing when Americans were alerted that the prison permitted Sgt. Tahmooressi to be moved to his own private cell. Reasonably so, a good call, since he was beaten by inmates.

At least a White House petition to release this Marine had quite a few signatures. Of course [it is] now down-played due to the terrorist hostage swap, you know the one.

The President of the United States of America and commander in chief negotiated [the release of] five high-ranking Taliban terrorists for an exchange of one questionable American hostage, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

President Obama went against the constitution, not to mention possibly financing a terrorist organization, exchanging “indefinite Gitmo prisoners,” all for political gain.

Americans can’t lose sight of this stranded decorated Marine in Mexico.

The only way I can envision helping is praying for a collective national public outrage to take place. Flooding your state congressmen and senators by phone calls, letters, and emails may work. Let them know you are disgusted by this atrocity and get Sgt. Tahmooressi out of the Mexican prison.

How horrible this is while an exchange of high ranking Taliban terrorists was just made. Demand quick action. While you’re at it, remind them there is a runoff election coming and you intend to vote your conscience.

I personally believe that politicians don’t care. Why should they? The media is hyped currently on the five Taliban terrorist hostage exchange. It will take a “we the people” uproar to be even noticed by the media or to pressure politicians to make this right. It is essential that our kind of loving Americans stand together to help get this imprisoned honorable Marine out of Mexico. Sgt. Tahmooressi needs our help to come home.

Cherie Werginz
Fayetteville, Ga.

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Why the fuzz?

He broke the law. period. He needs to follow the legal process of the country in which he was caught. That is what we do with foreigners breaking the law here. So what's the difference? How is this military guy deserving of privileged treatment?

If he was dumb enough to drive into Mexico with his second amendment candies, he is dumb enough to wait for trial. No big deal here. Let's go on with our lives Cherie.

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US Sgt.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/may/03/tijuana-marine-andrew-tahmoor...

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/05/27/border-crossing-where-f...

These articles give a clearer view of the predicament of this Marine. The sad reality is that we are not serving the veterans who have returned to civilian life after this tragic involvement in war. Their mental health is in danger for the rest of their lives - and we have made this a political football - claiming a patriotic concern. Not passing budgets in the name of saving taxpayer money is a sham. . .and a disgrace. Conservatism is needed in any organization for balance and progress. Those really concerned are donating to this young man's attorney fees - instead of grandstanding by blaming OBAMA. . . IMO

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KCW56-Not only that

but VP Biden was in Guatemala Thursday and announced our US government is going to give $250 million of our tax dollars to the central American countries where these illegals are coming from!

Send us your illegals and we will reward you with our tax dollars, too! Is Barry's head screwed on sideways or upside down?

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Obama meets with Mexico

President and says nothing, asks nothing, and still nothing about the jailed SGT. What happened to "we leave no man behind"? While millions upon millions of our tax $ are aiding the Mexican crisis now and millions more to be put away to fund programs of security.

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We are not at war with Mexico.

We leave no man on the battle field. Crossing the Mexican border with weapons in the trunk of your automobile is a little different.

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Don't confuse with facts

Obviously there are some people in this discussion who have trouble with reality and facts. An American crossing the Mexican border with weapons in the trunk is not exactly a soldier on the battlefield. . .but . . oh well.

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An American soldier is an American soldier
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Obviously there are some people in this discussion who have trouble with reality and facts. An American crossing the Mexican border with weapons in the trunk is not exactly a soldier on the battlefield. . .but . . oh well.

I get it now. Barry only cares about our soldiers when he needs them for war. Thanks for clearing that up.

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No you don't G35 - (get it)

You are so intent on showing your dislike for the current president of the US - that you don't see the actual reality of the steps and situations for successfully bringing ALL military personnel and veterans home. But it's cute watching you squirm. I'll leave you alone now.

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G35 and American in Mexican Jail

I can't figure out why the current in-force extradition treaty between the US & Mexico doesn't apply here.

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Extradition Treaty: see articles 5 and 10.

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/drwcasebook/files/u.s.__mexico_extradition_tr...

See Articles 5 and 10. IMHO, I feel it is in the best interest of the Marine for this to be handled diplomatically according to the treaty rather than a show of 'power' between two sitting presidents with serious border issues at present. His mental condition and documented 'fear' due to his war experience and the well known confusing conditions at this particular border crossing should be and can be handled diplomatically. This Marine doesn't need extreme right wing political maneuvering or anti- Obama rhetoric (that Mexico may not want to be involved in) at this time. I hope that his lawyers are working with our diplomatic core as well as our military lawyers.

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Patriotic

Americans leave no soldier behind ON THE BATTLEFIELD. You cannot be so dense to not see the difference here. The American Sgt. who crossed the Mexican border with guns in the trunk of his car is receiving help from attorneys and those like you who want him released. But Mexican border laws are just as important to them as ours are to us. His case will be handled in the courts - without help from the President or Congress. He broke Mexican law. Maybe they will deport him.

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Dense? By your definition, Yes!
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Americans leave no soldier behind ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

I know you already made that clear. If you're a vet, don't count on the VA or this administration cause you're not on the battlefield. If you're a vet with PTSD and make a mistake, don't count on Barry. If caring about ALL of our service men makes me dense, then I'm proud to be!!!!!

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Check out how your representatives in Congress are voting/have voted on VA concerns; improving mental health care for returning veterans; - and please note how long ago bills have been presented to Congress for an increase in budget for helping veterans receive improved care.

This is the definition of dense that I am applying to you:

stupid; slow-witted; dull

All of our service men have different needs in different situations - and one solution does not 'fit all'.

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This is the definition of dense that I am applying to you:

stupid; slow-witted; dull

WOW! LOL You the one person that cries for civil discussion comes out here calling people Stupid? Thanks for revealing your true colors!!!!! LMAO

It's very obvious when you know you've failed to make your point!!!!

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G35 - some maybes for you to ponder

. Maybe we should have left the young man in the hands of the enemy after the withdrawal of troops.
. Maybe we should have the presidents of Mexico and the US negotiate over the breaking of 'border law'.

What is your anticipated outcome of these two maybes?

My point - made earlier.

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All of our service men have different needs in different situations - and one solution does not 'fit all'

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Yes Dude
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It's very obvious when you know you've failed to make your point!!!!

Yep, you nailed her Dude. Not that nailing her is such a great accomplishment.

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Brilliant!

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G35, I wouldn't be so quick

G35, I wouldn't be so quick to all the blame to the President in regards to the VA. I remember it a little different than you. The last Republican administration told us the war was only going to last a few weeks, we would be greeted as liberators, and the war would pay for itself, and so they never planned ahead for the increased demand at the VA. They didn't plan ahead and now the VA does not have the capacity to process the large number of veterans requesting services now.

More recently, during the present administration, has the Republican led House of Representatives ever presented a budget that increased VA spending? I don't think so. As recent as February this year, the Republican Congress blocked a bill for increasing the VA budget by $21 billion. Is this not so?

I believe the large number of veterans requesting medical and mental health services from the VA is because they don't have any other options, other than the VA, for medical care. If they had private insurance, my guess is, rather then waiting for a VA appointment, they would seek treatment in the private sector. Does that sound reasonable?

So IMHO, If our Republican Governor Deal, with the support of other Republican lawmakers, didn't opt-out of the Obamacare Medicaid expansion, our Veterans waiting for appointments from the VA, would have other options for medical treatment in the private sector. Is this not so?

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Gort, I beg to differ

"I believe the large number of veterans requesting medical and mental health services from the VA is because they don't have any other options, other than the VA, for medical care. If they had private insurance, my guess is, rather then waiting for a VA appointment, they would seek treatment in the private sector. Does that sound reasonable?"

There are other options available in the private sector for Veterans. Most Veterans are unaware of this benefit. Its red tape and takes some time, however, most surgeries and more specialized medical professions can be approved through the VA and paid through their VA benefits.

On the other comment, it seems when the left comes out with a bill, any amendments from the right is criticized and attacked from the left. The only recourse is to block it. Therefore, it goes nowhere.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/199480-gop-blocks-veterans-...

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KCW56, its okay with me if

KCW56, its okay with me if you differ with me, but I don't think you really read my post. I agree with you that many veterans don't have any other options other than the VA and don't know where else they can get help.

All I'm saying is if the Georgia Republicans accepted the Medicaid expansion, Veterans would have another choice for medical care in the private sector, instead of waiting in the queue for a VA appointment.

I'm pretty sure veterans would have heard about a Medicaid expansion if it would have happened. Most Republicans I talk to can't shut their mouths about it, run it down whenever they can, and really don't care who it could help.

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Right or Left. - -G35

It makes no difference if either keeps electing the same individuals to Congress, and keep putting politics before the American people, in this case our veterans- the results will be the same - 0 action for the most worthy in need. We have a Congress that does not work; individuals blaming two presidents; a political party seriously divided in thirds. . . And in 2014, more veterans than ever with serious mental problems . Attorneys and interested groups, individuals are working for this young man in Mexico and other military personnel. . . Without making it a political circus. Anyone crossing the border into Mexico is aware of the confusion there. Most of us have not had weapons in our car; fought in a war with honor; and are subject to politicians who want to impress their NO MORE TAXES constiuents with rhetoric with little regard for the increase of veterans needing MORE support upon returning home alive. G35, I will not apologize to you. God is not through with me yet . You proudly accepted my definition of dense - before you understood what it was! I don't consider your retorts over the years always 'civil' - but I will try to hone my remarks . . Maybe.

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Dense? By your definition, Yes!

From your mouth!

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DM- No apology was requested

I don't think I asked for an apology. I just wanted to point out your hypocrisy. You are who you are. Someone that would cover for Hitler if he were black. And I stand by my original comment. Being called dense by someone like you is in my book a compliment. I made you mad enough to lose your composure simply because I insisted that an American service man deserved the assistance of the POTUS. A POTUS that recently met with the President of Mexico and wouldn't even bring up the subject of our jailed service man. Yet he went to the ends of the earth to retrieve a suspected traitor. Both spent time on the battlefield. So why is one worth 5 Taliban Commanders and the other not worth a 5 minute conversation? Your (And Obama's) answer? Because one walked off, or was captured on the battlefield? This time it's not about right or left. It's about whats right or wrong!!!

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Being called dense by someone like you is in my book a compliment

Anpther brilliant comment. How old are you?

I'm so impressed with your intelligence regarding the discussion between President Obama and the President of Mexico. I' m also impressed with your knowledge of federal and military law and traditions. You are such a knowledgeable citizen of Fayette County, GA. I'm relieved that you consider being called stupid and dull a compliment. . .I rescind my even thinking about apologizing to you. Individuals here - those who are not Obama supporters have tried to explain this situation to you - and in some cases you have even agreed with their thought process.

It is correct and commendable to want all of our veterans treated fairly and justly. It is unwise to create an international problem when experts with more knowledge than anyone in this discussion have the expertise to get justice for our veterans. What is right is to get their bodies back on American soil - and playing political games with their lives is foolish. Your brand of public outrage is not needed at this time - but those who you are following will continue without any concern for the work being accomplished to get all of our Americans back on American soil.

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DM- Keep posting hon.
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Anpther brilliant comment. How old are you?

Are you aware that South Dakota (among others) want to impeach your hero? Please note that not all of these are republicans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/23/south-dakota-w...

This is a liberal paper reporting this.

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.I rescind my even thinking about apologizing to you.

People with no character don't apologize. They just continue to insult.

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I'm so impressed with your intelligence regarding the discussion between President Obama and the President of Mexico. I' m also impressed with your knowledge of federal and military law and traditions. You are such a knowledgeable citizen of Fayette County, GA. I'm relieved that you consider being called stupid and dull a compliment.

I rest my case. LOL But keep posting. You continue to make my point for me.:)

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Your point as you posted:

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I'm not arguing those points. All I'm saying is that Obama should support ALL of our service men equally.

My point as I posted:

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It is correct and commendable to want all of our veterans treated fairly and justly. It is unwise to create an international problem when experts with more knowledge than anyone in this discussion have the expertise to get justice for our veterans. What is right is to get their bodies back on American soil - and playing political games with their lives is foolish.

Gort is far more patient with your thought process than I am.

By the way, this is what I said on June 22nd.

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His case will be handled in the courts - without help from the President or Congress. He broke Mexican law. Maybe they will deport him.

I guess it's easier to understand when Gort says it. LOL

I agree with Gort:

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IMHO, blaming this situation on the President is just the usual right wing noise, absent of anything that resembles reality.

And nothing will help Democrats more than an Impeachment Trial led by South Dakota.
:-)

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I guess it's easier to understand when Gort says it. LOL

It is, Gort may be passionate about his beliefs but he hasn't called me any names. And he seems to be able to discuss topics beyond his original talking points. You don't seem to be able to understand when someone hears your point but considers it to be invalid. You seem to think that if you offer an excuse that it's gospel and only an dense person would ever disagree. So you resort to name calling. That is a sign of someone that has a weak or no argument. Gort attempts to use logic to help his point. I enjoy a good discussion of logic. I don't mind passion, but once you feel that you're beaten you resort to race, name calling or whatever because thats all you have. If you noticed the paper that reported the impeachment story was a liberal paper and several of the groups that were involved at some point were democrats. Stay in your dream world hon. If the republicans take the house this time your hero may be in trouble.

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G35 & Election

I think you mean "the Senate"--Repubs already control the House.

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My bad.

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LOL - G35

We call 'em' as we see 'em'. Have a blessed day.

By the way, in this particular discussion, it didn't take you long to play the 'card'.

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You are who you are. Someone that would cover for Hitler if he were black.

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As you say, I calls em as I sees em!!!

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Gort - OK but

I'm not arguing those points. All I'm saying is that Obama should support ALL of our service men equally. If a suspected traitor is worth 5 Taliban Commanders what is a Sgt. with PTSD that made a wrong turn worth? Some say nothing because he wasn't captured on the battlefield. And most of America disapproves of how Obama is handling the VA scandal. No matter how we got here. He doesn't seem to be trying to correct the problem.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/03/cnn-poll-public-upset-ov...

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G35, I would be very

G35, I would be very surprised if the marine was not returned from Mexico. Our state department has already asked Mexico for consideration and Mexico must realize there is strong US public sentiment for bringing home the marine. Mexico will probably run him thought the court system on weapons charges and deport him to the US.

The US does a lot of trade with Mexico and we share a border with them. The way I see it, the only reason Mexico would ever keep him, is to retaliate against the US for how we treat Mexican nationals when they enter our criminal justice system. (I hope Sheriff Joe Arpaio understands this, eh?)

IMHO, blaming this situation on the President is just the usual right wing noise, absent of anything that resembles reality.

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Gort-Hope you're right.

I hope you're right on the handling of our Marine. Had Obama not made such a big deal of the Bergdahl thing, most probably would not be calling for his involvement on Sgt. Tahmooressi. But he thought that Bergdahl would help his polling numbers. When it didn't he started using the "No man left behind" rhetoric. When others said OK but what about this Marine that needs your help, he added No man left behind, "If captured on the battlefield". IMHO he's not interested in helping Tahmooresi because he (Obama) has nothing to gain from it. He has been embarrassed and will not help now because it would make him appear to have given in to public pressure.

Others are insulted that a suspected deserter/traitor is worth 5 Taliban commanders and an honorable Marine that suffers from PTSD because of service to our country is forgotten by our POTUS.

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IMHO, blaming this situation on the President is just the usual right wing noise, absent of anything that resembles reality.

You are entitled to your opinion of course. But on this we will just agree to disagree.

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G35, I think negotiating with

G35, I think negotiating with Mexico vs. al-Qaeda is not the same thing. Sgt. Bergdahl was facing a death penalty and Sgt. Tahmooressi is not. Is this not so?

I read the State Department and our US Embassy have already intervened and monitoring the situation on behalf of Sgt. Tahmooressi, don't these agencies work for the Executive branch?

The fact is, the right wing media, and their followers, are free to make any and all assertion they want and the administration is not free to discuss the matter in detail because of the ongoing proceedings.

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G35 & THE AMERICAN CITIZEN HELD IN A FOREIGN JAIL

At the risk of becoming the skunk at the garden party, I say that it doesn't matter if he is a member of the military or not--he's an American citizen being held in a foreign jail and our govt should be making max effort to return him to US territory. And if he's truly suffering from PTSD, he should be getting treatment--that is a different matter of concern.

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I totally agree with everything you said.

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So you think Bergdhal was more deserving of help than Sgt Tahmooressi?

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Obama doesn't care about Americans

He only takes action when there is a political advantage for him or if it helps his radical Muslim brethren.

Lawmaker slams Obama for no mention of jailed Marine in talks with Mexican president

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., said "it's pathetic" that the mother of Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi has to plead for her son's release from a Mexican prison while Obama apparently did not address the issue earlier in the day while meeting with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto

obama was probably too busy taking bribes from El Presidente' of Mexico in return for looking the other way when the illegal criminals cross our border.