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Note the fake self-righteous indignation shows as he flat out lies to the American people during the debate.

It’s Official: Obama Lied During Presidential Debate

“The suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our UN ambassador, anybody on my team, would play politics or mislead when we lost four of our own, governor, is offensive.”

Offensive, indeed.
obama is lowest form of scum on the planet.

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Obama - Lying Wretch

Benghazi, IRS-Gate, and now illegal wire tapping.

This is the kind of stuff that goes on in of third world dictatorships, not a constitutional republic of, for, and by THE PEOPLE.

Obama and his minions are the lowest form of low-life, sleezy dictataors and need to be removed from office NOW!!!

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Don't forget the IRS targeting Patriot groups...

"Senior officials at the Internal Revenue Service were aware that its agents were targeting Tea Party groups as early as 2011, according to an Inspector General's draft report obtained by Fox News.
The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.
Lois Lerner, who runs the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, knew about the targeting of Tea Party groups since June 29, 2011.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/12/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-i...

This is the type of Administration we have... Lies and deceit and will use ANY power of Government to threaten to intimidate opposition groups...

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No, SL & Joe...

...they're just providing 'transparency' in government!!

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SL

Is your security course ' Street Survival'. being offered soon?

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Dm

If we can get enough people who are interested I can do it sometime next month...

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SL

Sorry, just saw this! Anyone interested? Where would this be held?

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DM

It would have to be a pubic venue... and it could be any group of citizens and could be like a Town Hall style meeting...

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SL -

Have you advertised it yet? Keep missing your post. Sorry.

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DM..

I will gladly be a guest speaker at the group...however due to liability issues if I organize the group then I open myself up for lawsuits should someone "follow" my advise and either gets hurt or hurts someone.

Under the Police Academy venue I am held harmless due to the way LEO's are viewed under the color of law.

If you have a group and a public venue I will be happy to do a hour on personal defense. We will NOT go over weapons training, nor will we go over self-Defense tactics outside of a pure theoretical discussion.

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Ok! I'll do the research and will get the particulars back
to you. I know you have concerns about publicly identifying yourself to me - but after I get a group lined up and location, I'll let you decide if you want to continue. I do think this will be well received.

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DM I have no concerns in IDing myself to you or anyone....

...after all I use my REAL name on here.

I do have concerns over law-suits. I have been sued once and subpoenaed twice for trying to help out "Citizens Groups" this is why I will not host the event. I will attend and speak as a citizen but in no capacity as an expert.

I still train individuals, however, I know them and don't fear being sued.

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Obama Care - Real Cost

A friend forwarded a memo to me. It begins with:

Like many large companies, XXXXX is facing a significant increase in healthcare costs in 2014 associated with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010.

Next is a letter to Ms Tavenner who is Administrator for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

June 13, 2013
Dear Ms. Tavenner:
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I want to thank you for the opportunity to meet with you at Grady Hospital in Atlanta recently to discuss the impact of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) on XXXXXXXX. The small group setting allowed for a good exchange of ideas that I found very valuable. As you know, I and the other large employer representatives in attendance did not agree with your initial assessment that the ACA means “business as usual” for large employers. Since you committed to share our concerns with Secretary Sebelius and the President, I thought it might be helpful to summarize the major points for you here.

As you heard from many of us, the ACA will result in increasing costs, for both companies and our employees, and will also reduce the benefits provided. Here are some of the major drivers of these effects: The Reinsurance Fee – The ACA requires large employers to pay an annual fee of $63 per covered
participant in 2014. For XXXXX roughly 160,000 enrolled active and retired employees and their family members, this represents more than $10 million added to the cost of providing health care next year. As we discussed, this fee, which is meant to help stabilize the state exchanges as they get started, provides absolutely zero direct benefit to our participants. It is, essentially, a direct subsidy from us and our employees to those who participate in the exchanges.

Covering Children Until Age 26 – There is no doubt that this has been a popular provision nationwide and at XXXXX we have seen more than 8,000 children added to our rolls resulting in a permanent increase in our overall costs of about $14 million per year. We are required to charge the same for these children as we do for any other children covered by our plan. However, our experience shows that, on average, these children are consuming considerably more health care than other children we cover. In essence, we are experiencing adverse selection in this population and that is having an impact on the costs that we and our employees pay for coverage,.

The Individual Mandate – As you know, in 2014, the individual mandate under the ACA kicks in and those not currently covered under any plan must enroll or pay a penalty to the Federal government. Our actuaries have estimated how many of those who currently opt out of our coverage will now opt in. Their estimates are that this requirement will add another $14 Million in costs to our plan each year, net of the premiums paid by these individuals.

Thirty Hour Rule – As you heard at the meeting, many employers are planning to reduce employees’ hours to less than thirty per week in order to avoid the requirements to either provide health coverage or pay fees for those employees. XXXXXX is not one of those employers, and we do not plan to force employees to work fewer hours as a result of the ACA. For others, however, this represents one of the negative unintended consequences of the ACA and we support efforts to raise the limit to forty hours per week rather than thirty.

Pay or Play Penalties – The group health coverage XXXXXX provides to its full time employees more than meets the definition of “affordable coverage” as defined by the ACA. However, the proposed regulations that implement this provision of the law are very complex and, when finalized, may At XXXXXX we are doing a lot of positive things to provide a platform for our employees to live healthier, more productive lives. We offer free preventive coverage, we offer telemedicine services, a concierge nurse line and great tools that provide vital data (such as it exists) on quality and cost among the provider community. We provide incentives that reward employees for doing the things that help lead to better long-term health. But make no mistake – the costs imposed on XXXXXX and our employees are very real and they are escalating. The costs mentioned above, when combined with normal medical inflation and the end of the XXXXXX program mean that the cost of providing health care to our employees will increase by nearly $100,000,000 next year. XXXXXXX will have to absorb the vast majority of that increase in costs so that we continue providing a high value, high quality health plan, but some of it will have to be shared with our employees as well. And of course, the balance that the company pays simply means less left over for other investments that make our business stronger.

In closing, the ACA is anything but business as usual for large employers like XXXXXXX. It represents real and significant changes that provide real challenges for both our company and our employees. Thank you for the opportunity to provide this input. If I can be of assistance in any other way, please do not hesitate to contact me.

And just think when Pelosi said "But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what’s in it....”

Vote Democrat and this is what you get.

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Cyclist- Thanks for sharing

Excellent letter!!!

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Hey G35 - Obama Care

There appears to be some gaps in letter but, you get the message.

It looks like those of us that are covered under a large employer plan will see less insurance coverage and pay more because of Obama Care.

Joe K. is spot on, we've been lied to.

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Cy.. We tried to tell them but...

...no one listened.

So you can smoke 3 packs a day, eat Micky D's all day and engage in "Risky" sexual behavior pay the $95 fine until you need insurance and as soon as you are diagnosed with cancer or aids you can run to the local Insurance company and sign up. Under Obamacare they can't say no so they have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on your treatment maybe for the rest of your life.

Nah... I can't see any problems with that. That's no reason for rates to triple or quadruple at all...

Never happen Pelosi and Obama said so.

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Mr. Lindsay, What is the Better Alternative?

You're so right; this is a very bad plan. The Republican alternative is for the same person to make all these bad health decisions, show up in the emergency room, pay absolutely nothing, and get all the expenses added to my private health insurance premiums or (eventually) to my taxes in Medicaid.

There are many things I detest about Obamacare (especially an employer being involved in any way in someone's health insurance). However, the Republicans will not proffer any plan whatsoever to remedy the situation except for the status quo (that always falls back on responsible people to pay). When conservatives offer any reasonable alternative, I will listen intently.

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stf...it's really simple..but then again common sense always is.

First:

Competitive Health Insurance Plans... Allows Citizens to "shop" their own personal plans across State Lines..
Currently NOT ALLOWED by the Government.

Second:

Health Savings Plans... Instead of Employer withheld funds and subsidized Health programs allows Citizens to "SAVE" for their incidentals.
Obamacare eliminates HSA's and or penalizes the user heavily for having one..

Third:

Concierge Insurance Policies... Allows Citizens to purchase only the amount of coverage needed. Example.. Why does a woman need a policy that covers testicular cancer? Granted I have seen a lot of women with a bigger set then most men but I digress.

Don't smoke...don't drink...don't engage in risky behaviour? Maybe you need just a catastrophic policy.
Obamacare is a bodycast for a hang nail.

Fourth:

Risk Pools... Allows Citizens with pre-existing conditions to buy into a risk pool. Shared policies equal shared cost.
Currently Obamacare lumps everyone even those with NO PEC into common risk pools that are both expensive and fails to cover all participants.

Fifth:

Means testing... Citizens MUST prove un-insurability and inability to pay. If you are under one of these programs you must..
A: LOSE WEIGHT if obese
B: Stop Smoking if smoking.. Testing required.
C: No recreational drug use.. Testing required.

These are just a few of MY ideas...

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Great Ideas!

I like all of these ideas and would love to see them in a Republican alternative. I would also add that employers get out of the business of health insurance altogether because this limits workers' mobility (among other problems with them).

Now how do we deal with the indigents who will not terminate their unhealthy behavior or who merely have bad luck genes?

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Insurance coverage

It's June 2014. Obamacare has been accepted by millions - and the enrollment is still growing. I am fortunate to belong to a group that is covered by a large employer plan - and my payment is less - and receive more service.! Wow! I'm blessed with good health; belong to a group that refers to the best doctors in this region if I need that type of help (covered by Anthem). I know that there are problems - but I don't think the American people will repeal Affordable Health Care - just because Obama is associated with the passage of this bill. Fix it - don't repeal all aspects of it!!

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Cyclist anf G35

Thank you for sharing. It is wise for each family to investigate how their particular health insurance needs will be met. If a family already has health insurance, a study on how Obamacare will affect them is suggested. Those who already belong to a well established health care program and receive assistance from the former employer as part of a benefit package - look carefully before you make any changes. Remember, this is a program to assist those who have no insurance coverage; to take the cost of ER rooms off the backs of taxpayers; and to improve the overall health of the citizens in our country. Ones political party does not determine a families health care needs. There are many in this country who do not have to depend on a Grady network or other network for healthcare. Some employers will be making changes - but if you have been retired for sometime, it is possible that your health care benefits will not change. Do check with your personal physician regarding medicare. It is apparent that changes will need to be made to this plan - and if we had cooperation in Congress instead of obstruction, some of these changes could have been worked out instead of a political party wasting valuable government hours 40 times trying to repeal a program that the majority of Americans want and are using. Most Americans are not responsible for a large enterprise - only the health of their immediate family.

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Davids mom - It's a bad law

It is apparent that changes will need to be made to this plan...

Gee, do you think.

Like I said, we've been lied to.

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You and I have been around long enough to know that the truth' eventually comes out. Even the Founding Fathers realized that after their monumental task of writing the Constitution, some changes (amendments) had to be made.

The groundwork has been done. If 'politicians' would become 'statesmen' and work for the American people - the goal of a healthier nation might be realized without only those who have health instance receiving the benefit of good care from the #1 country in the world. It's a shame that the health of our nation has to become a political football.

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What the DMV and your Doctor's

office will have in common after Jan. 1, 2015. A ticket machine with the current ticket number at 125 and you are holding ticket number 450.

And again Pelosi said...

But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what’s in it....

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Really DM?
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if we had cooperation in Congress instead of obstruction, some of these changes could have been worked out instead of a political party wasting valuable government hours 40 times trying to repeal a program that the majority of Americans want and are using.

Most Americans want this? Based on what? Rasmussen poll of 8/5/13 disagrees.

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The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 40% of Likely U.S. Voters now want their governor to support implementation of the health care law in their state, but 48% want their governor to oppose implementation instead. Twelve percent (12%) are not sure.

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Still depending on Rasmussen? What about his 2012 prediction?

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/scott-rasmussen-tries-to-explain-why-hi...

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Still depending on Rasmussen? What about his 2012 prediction?

Once again you dodge the point of the post. Instead of providing backup for your position you post this?

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There are several polls that cover this issue, as we all know. Here are just a few on "Public Approval of Obama's Health Care Law":

Rasmussen Reports from 6/20-7/27 - Favor 42 Oppose 53
FOX News from 7/21-7/23 - Favor 40 Oppose 53
CBS News from 7/18-7/22 - Favor 36 Oppose 54
ABC News/Washington Post from 7/18-7/21 - Favor 42 Oppose 49
NBC News/Wall Street Journal from 7/17-7/21 - Favor 34 Oppose 47
Gallup from 6/20-6/24 - Favor 44 Oppose 52

RCP Averages all six of these polls and their average for 6/20-7/27 is Favor 39.7/Oppose 51.3. In addition, from the November 2009 to July 2013 averages, Favor has never been above 43% and Oppose has never been below 47%.

They should save all that time and money and just state that the majority favors it because DM says so.....

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moc-how dare you?
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They should save all that time and money and just state that the majority favors it because DM says so.....

How dare you contradict DM's statements with facts? LOL

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DM and facts are like odd acquaintances. Usually what comes to mind is...."You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts." We do live in an age of entitlement though.....

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The Facts

Why haven't we seen a Republican plan to providing affordable health care? What they're offering now is . . . repeal. Cooperation is essential in solving problems in a diverse society. There have been some sensible alternatives offered on this blog - but bloggers evidently have little influence with Republican leaders.

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My position - strong

is for our leaders to get something worked out so that the health of our nation improves. Obesity, indiscriminate legal use of legal drugs, poor dental care, etc. is not showing that our citizens are assuming personal responsibility for their healthcare. Surveys show that many citizens cannot afford current health insurance cost - and use the ER rooms at the taxpayers expense. The Obamacare plan is a start. Accepting pre-existing conditions, allowing children to remain on parents insurance until 26, etc. is helping many Americans. No one is saying that Obamacare is perfect - but we have elected leaders to work for the American people, not the insurance companies. So far - all we've heard is REPEAL. . .and after 40 attempts, those leaders cannot get the majority of the other leaders of our country to agree. What counts is what the leaders in Congress feel their constituents want. . .and the majority feet that repeal is not the answer. The pollsters are learning, since 2012, that they are not always polling those who represent the majority of the citizens. But we'll see.

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And thus we are shackled into a creeping totalitarianism
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is for our leaders to get something worked out so that the health of our nation improves. Obesity, indiscriminate legal use of legal drugs, poor dental care, etc. is not showing that our citizens are assuming personal responsibility for their healthcare.

Due to the general population's lack of personal responsibility, we must force them to eat right, exercise more, buy the right things, and think the right way. You advocate the problem with the creeping nanny state and the desire to fund everything. You allow the government to be responsible for everything and every aspect of your life. Eventually you will wind up worshipping the state as you will be required to do

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Wedge & Legislation

Some among us simply don't understand that Congress cannot legislate legal personal behavior--it has to come from within.

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Much of this personal responsibility regarding health is tied to knowledge of ones health. Too many of our citizens are not knowledgeable and cannot afford to gain medical assistance in becoming knowledgeable The no cost yearly exam will help that. And when a medical problem occurs, the ER room at taxpayers expense will not be the answer. This problem is not a general population problem but aimed at those who have no health insurance. In our country, I can't be forced to eat correctly, to exercise, to get appropriate rest - but if our government values our health and assists citizens in maintaining good health habits, and encourages more citizens by offering affordable health care - yes, I support that. Other countries are surpassing us in having healthy citizens ; their children are achieving at a higher rate. The program to 'keep moving' and eat correctly aimed at our children, may be partly responsible for the change in child obesity. Americans are not the healthiest on our planet. One reason is because they can't afford medical health care. A plan to change this has become the law. There have been sensible suggestions in making changes to the law. Politics is in the way of common sense. IMO

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Personal Responcibility...

Every State and every County in that State has a Health Dept.. That service is provided to those
that cannot afford to pay for a Doctor...

Thus it is personal responcibility to take care of that "medical" knowledge.

It is not the job of Government to be a Nanny nor is it the burden of the tax payer to have to pay for it.

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State and County Health Dept.

are ' government '. The issue is affordable health care for those who have no insurance The 'government ' in the states and county 's have not accomplished what you consider 'their' service for too many Americans who have no insurance.

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DM.. that is what it is for...

The County Health Dept is there for those who cannot afford their own plan.

Can you show any real statistical data on these Americans who supposedly have not had access?

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Don't feed the skeeze!

Don't feed the town skeezer! You should know better by now Steve - it doesn't listen to common sense or reason.

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Wow Joe....

Aren't you classy...

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Well G35, there you have it.....
Davids mom wrote:

The pollsters are learning, since 2012, that they are not always polling those who represent the majority of the citizens. But we'll see.

The pollsters are asking the wrong people.

Memo to RealClearPolitics: Maybe you can contact DM through this website and let her steer you to the right folks.

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The Right Folks

The pollsters proudly state they poll 'likely voters'. It is their responsibility to determine who are the likely voters in the 21st century.

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Well G35, there you have it..... The pollsters are asking the wrong people.

DM has no problem twisting comments or facts to support her position. She is one of those that will, as in this case, continue to tell you that you're wrong without providing any verifiable facts of her own to support her position. You can rest assured that if these polls supported her position she'd swear by them.

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Fact

If you don't poll samples of all the people who vote, your polling results will be skewed. I think the pollsters learned their lesson in 2012. Not just my opinion - a fact. Hopefully lesson learned, but so far, it has not been reported that the polling list has been 'diversified'. I'm sure all pollstersl are working on it. How is stating a fact regarding pollsters saying YOU are wrong? You are always trying to say my opinion is wrong, and that' yours is right . However, I am entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to yours,

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Affordable Heathcare Act

Many people are not covered under large employer health plans and it appears that many who rant against Affordable Heathcare Act are covered under large employer plans, Medicare or even our elected officials who have the Congressional Plan.

Health insurance companies have remained relatively silent as they once again stomp on those who are not covered or are covered by jacking up the rates.

Bottom line, we don't know if this will work or not and won't know for a few years.
United Healthcare has reported a 64% loss ratio over the past few years. Under the Affordable Healthcare Act that % has been pegged at 80%. Will that change due to rising prices by doctors, hospitals or drug companies or will it be rebated back to policy holders?

This is a big change for everyone, best to see if it works or not.
Meanwhile, great rhetoric for Republicans.

Time will tell, changes can be made.

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Afforable Health Care

We don't know how well the Affordable Healthcare Act will work, but it probably will be fine despite a few glitches which can be corrected.

What we do know for certain is that Republicans do not care at all about the 650,000 Georgia citizens who will be denied healthcare coverage because of Governor Deal's decision to reject the expansion of Medicaid. The Tea Party hatred of President Obama trumps any concern for Georgia citizens.

If you are poor in Georgia, the Republican health plan for you is to just get sick and die. All you sick and poor Georgia citizens---just go away.

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Larry & "the Congressional Plan"

No such thing. As Federal Employees, Members of Congress are eligible to participate in the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program, as are all other Fed employees, active & retired.

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Cyclist, I worked for a large

Cyclist, I worked for a large company and our heath care cost, went up, every year I worked with the company, even before the Affordable Care Act was passed.

If you indeed work for a large company, I argue that you, and your company, would be paying more for health insurance, every year, even if the Affordable Care Act was never passed. Is this not so?

As a practical matter, since the Affordable Care Act was passed, the co-pays on my preventive care visits have dropped to zero and my company even funds $2K per year into my personal healthcare spending account. If anything my out of pocket costs have gone down and we still use the same doctors so, I don’t see the quality of my care being diminished in any way.

IMO, the unsigned letter you posted just doesn’t tell it the way I’m experiencing the Affordable Care Act in real life.

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Gort, it all comes down to the...

bottom line. As noted in the letter above the money spent on healthcare/Obama Care is money that cannot be spent on stockholders, profit sharing, pay and investments back into the company. $100,000,000 is a sizable sum of money.

The meeting that Atlanta employers attend in June was one of several that was held around the nation in which the administration wanted to discuss rolling-out Obama Care. Needless to say, it was not favorably viewed by those in attendance. I have to wonder if that was the reason that in July Obama decided to defer implementation or was it political reasons fearing demo loses in both the House and Senate. We will never know as the this "transparent" administration will not tell us.

But I'll tell you what, if and when Obama Care is finally rolled and out and implemented lets see what happens. If it works I'll tell you I was wrong. Likewise if it fails, you can tell me that I was right.

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Affordable Healthcare

Since its passing 4 1/2 yrs ago, the Republicans have had multiple opportunities to propose an alternative to provide affordable healthcare.

Nothing, nada, just NO!

Why? Could it be they have no proposals, just want the 30+million to go away.
Maybe the lobbyists are paying them off.

Offer an alternative.

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Larry & Healthcare

Go to House.Gov and check out HR 2300--proposed by a GA Doctor at that! Or
you can just Google it--that works. Rep Tom Price (R) is the author.

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Thank you.

Let's see if this becomes a "real" Republican platform as an alternative.
So far I have heard very little in the way of an alternative, just ideas from different people but no real plan other than NO.

Thanks again.

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Cyclist, you said you work

Cyclist, you said you work for a large employer. Does your company contribute money to your healthcare spending account? Did your insurance plan eliminate co-pays on your preventive care visits? Did your company stop offering healthcare insurance?

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Gort: Questions?

Given your questions I can see that you just don't get it. What I currently pay is not the issue rather it's the future cost increases and the reduction of medical resources that Obama Care will bring upon us all.

BTW, out here in California immigrate rights groups have campaigned on local TV stations that they too have a right to health care and that the Obama Care scheme discriminates against them. So now we have to wonder; will the demos tell that group NO since we can't afford to add millions more to the subsidized heath care rolls or will the demos simply pass that on to the repubs to say no?

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Cyclist, my question was more

Cyclist, my question was more about, did your health insurance plan get better since the Affordable Care Act was passed? It either did or it didn’t.

I do ‘get it’ about future cost going up but I argue that was happening before the Affordable Care Act was passed, is this not so?

I’ll let California worry about its immigrant population. In Georgia, the Republican position is to deny medical insurance coverage to its own US Citizens.

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In Georgia, the Republican position is to deny medical insurance coverage to its own US Citizens.

See the first page of todays AJC. I hope this is not the Republican intent.

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D_Mom, the Republican Party,

D_Mom, the Republican Party, and the current crop in particular, have never done anything for working people. If they are allowed to kill the Affordable Care Act they will come after Social Security and Medicare next.

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Gort - Escalating Cost

Yes costs have gone up due to medical inflation. There's no denying that. However, coming soon, that inflationary cost will be joined with the costs associated with Obama Care. According to the letter above, anticipated healthcare cost is expected to grow by $100,000,000. That’s money which will not make it to salaries, shareholders, or invested back into the company. Oh, and the company will have to share that additional expense with employees through insurance rate increase. Some will probably not be able to afford this increase and will have to take a less costly and diminished insurance option.

Oh, regarding the California immigration healthcare issue, do you honestly think it will remain an issue just for California to resolve? Those Latino groups are calling on President Obama to do something not the governor of California.

BTW, you might work for the company which authored that above letter.

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Cyclist, did your health

Cyclist, did your health insurance plan improve since the Affordable Care Act was passed?

Like I told you, “I’ll let California worry about its immigrant population. In Georgia, the Republican position is to deny medical insurance coverage to its own US Citizens.” Why do you worry so much about what is going on in California?

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Cruz? His 'commercial' as been deemed FALSE

Why is it necessary for the Republican Party to sanction misinformation? There is no doubt that this bill will have to be worked on (as The Constitution requires constant interpretation to meet current needs, etc.) - but that is what we have a Congress for - so that the necessary debates/opinions can be heard and solutions found for problems. The Republicans, under the present group that seems to control it, is a party of NO. Their yes seems to be only for those who have funds to survive or have jobs. (Unfortunately or fortunately - whatever ones viewpoint is - this is hurting the Republican Party, our country - and boosting the roles of Independents voters. ) AND hindering progress towards real affordable health care in this country. Politics (maneuvering for power) is always going to be present - but when it hinders an organization/country - then the people look for ways to get the hindering element out of the way. Wow! Even Fox News is asking similar questions regarding Senator Cruz's plan to defund Obamacare.

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Why Gort! We agree

I say give Mr. Obama everything he wants, when people realize that they will pay more beginning in 2014/15, a lot more, and they won't be able to find a doctor, and they find out that the cost of medical devices will go through the roof, and when they find out they've been duped. Well, I guess it will be too late! But.....we will have proven Mr. Obama wrong....but then again he will be out of office so....it doesn't matter. Let's give the Democrats everything they ask for in the next couple of years.

I guess then we will know what a train wreck is all about.

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Why the delays, cutouts and exemptions?

If the ACA aka Obamacare is so great why did Congress exempt themselves?

Why does almost every Union want out?

Why did the President delay (illegally btw) the implementation of two key
portions of the act on businesses not once but twice?

Why... the answer is simple...

Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., wrote:

Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., scolded Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on Wednesday over the implementation of President Obama’s health care law. Complaining about confused individuals and small businesses in his state and warning of a coming “train wreck,” at times Baucus sounded more like a Tea Partier than one of the key authors of the legislation that would become known as Obamacare. But his posture during the Finance Committee hearing is also a telling sign that Democrats up for reelection in 2014 are increasingly worried that mangled implementation could put their jobs in jeopardy.

It is a TRAIN WRECK because GOVERNMENT is running it...

Government is too large to runn something like this for the WHOLE Country and EVERY individual. Everyone points to Canada or Sweden for their Single Payer system...
The Problem with that example is that they both have a tenth the population we have... Less people less buracracy less cost.

America was not setup to be a Socialist State....why is almost every other Country in the World MOVING AWAY from Single Payer while we rush headlong towards it?

Oh I know the Progressives think we can do Socialism better then them.... RRRRIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTTT.

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SLindsey, you forgot “Death

SLindsey, you forgot “Death Panels” and “It’s against the Consitution!” Have you run out of testosterone booster?

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Obama Care - Let the hiring begin

The "guv" doled out $54M to various groups around the nation to act as "Navigators" to provide both directions on how to access and to sign-up enrollees for Obama Care.

Some have acknowledged that is not nearly enough money to reach to all those intended to use this scheme.

"There's no way that's enough money to make a difference," said John Poelman, a senior director of Leavitt Partners, a consultant working with many states to set up the marketplaces.

Stan Dorn, senior fellow at the nonpartisan Urban institute, called the money "a drop in the bucket.” "It’s not enough to enroll tens of millions of uninsured into coverage.”

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Looking at the Florida stats, the money provided by the "guv"for this exercise is $5.4M which is suppose to chase an estimated 3.5 million potential enrollees. That works out to $1.57 spent per enrollee. That's not much and as the this program plods along don't be surprise that more cash is needed.

But hey, this is the shape of things to come. Healthcare for the masses but yet falling short for the individual.

And Pelosi stated: “But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what’s in it.."

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Cyclist

I guess the cat is out of the bag now about who the mystery company was.....

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Hey moc - I was wondering how long...

it would take before it hit the www. I saw it in Forbes this morning while waiting for my flight. Oh, a MIT economics professor - who help authored this POS legislation - was downplaying the impact.

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Cy

Best I can tell it flew under the radar locally until late Wednesday night. First mention that I heard was on the radio Thursday. Strange....

I don't blame the MIT DB though. If you had a hand in writing it, wouldn't you be trying to downplay it too?

No worries though, your health insurance costs will go down. Barry said so....

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Workers of the USA unite

In 1983 under Ronald Reagan, terrorist bombed the marine barracks in Beruit Lebanon. Over 200 marines died in the blast. The USA response? The USA left Lebanon never to return. Three days later the USA military invaded the island of Grenada in the carribean sea.

On 911 2001 under President Bush, terrorists attached NYT and the Pentagon killing over 3000 people. The single most collassal intelligence failure in te history fo the country. In response the government established the department of homeland security and the TSA to harrass US law abiding citizens.

On 911 2012, 4 Americans were killed in a orchestrated terrorist attack on the consulate in Libya. The GOP has gone insane over this tragic loss of life.

On Dec 14, 2012 a American terrorist shot his way into the locked elementary school killing 27 people in the school with military sytle weapons. The GOP response ? Democrats are 'exploiting' the event of political purposes.

Really ? In GOP eyes, what makes those lives in Libya so valuable ?
And what makes those lives in Connecticut so cheap?

It is an example of the Un-Americanness of the GOP, when the lives of school children at home have no meaning. The party is in systematic pursuit of it own narrow self interest. Hijacked by super wealthy and the elite, and 'THE PEOPLE' get that.

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Yes, 'they' do, 55...

...as long as they keep getting an entitlement check, yes they do get it. Wow, a mentally ill teenager is a terrorist? You forgot the Aurora terrorist. And how is the Beirut bombing related to rescuing American students in Grenada (it wasn't an invasion, genius)?

Nice broad swipe at kinda, sorta, insinuating...ummm...something...oh right, 'dem rich peeples be bad'!!!

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KCC....C55 is your typical progressive

...and his response is typical when they can't defend their own actions. Actions that any other President, especially a Republican one, they would be screaming and much gnashing of teeth.

Kill List..
Drones in the sky...
Broken Promises...
Spying on Reporters phone calls...
Lying about Terrorist attacks...
Using the IRS as a bludgeon against his perceived enemies..

No doubt this President would make a great Third World Dictator...

Funny how just 6 years ago all of these Democrats were wringing out their hankies over Gitmo--STILL OPEN-- btw, Patriot Act---STILL IN PLACE---btw, Body Counts on TV daily--SOLDIERS STILL DYING--btw and on and on and on...

Now we have the Fast and Furious cover up, Party Gate, Benghazi Cover up and now comes the IRS cover up.. one in which the Administration and the IRS LIED about to Congress and to us.

We told them two years ago this was happening and we were called conspiracy nuts... Funny how time seems to always prove many of us right.

Want to talk about food inflation anyone?

Chris P. Bacon wrote:

If you listened to all these "sky is falling" economic Chicken Littles around here, you'd think food inflation was skyrocketing.

USDA wrote:

ERS's inflation forecast for both all food and food-at-home (grocery store) prices in 2013 is for increases of 2.5 to 3.5 percent. This forecast means that prices are likely to increase more than in 2012

Yep time usually does either prove or disprove a statement...

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S. lindsey...you are correct....on every point

"Now we have the Fast and Furious cover up, Party Gate, Benghazi Cover up and now comes the IRS cover up.. one in which the Administration and the IRS LIED about to Congress and to us.

We told them two years ago this was happening and we were called conspiracy nuts... Funny how time seems to always prove many of us right."

But...when have facts ever convinced a Liberal/Progressive/Socialist of being wrong? They live in their own little fantasy world where facts are not very important, but close-minded thinking reigns in every situation....

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b-b-b-b-b-but Reagan!

Typical bedwetting liberal. Can't argue the what the Obama thugocracy has wrought, so you attack dead men.

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And Romney is as pure as the

fallen snow.....

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b-b-b-b-b-b-but Romney!

What does Romney have to do with any of this? Jaggoff.

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Liar-in-Chief

So, given three opportunities to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the "president" obfuscated or ducked the question.

obama lies to the American people

America deserves better than this two-bit Chicago thug.

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The invasion of Grenada/aftermath

There are many versions of the why of this action. The islanders are divided. The younger ones who remember the invasion and the military power which overtook the Cubans may express thanks. The older ones remember the coup and improved living conditions after the coup. Of course the failure of Cuba is pointed to - and the 'saved' Grenada is not really that different from Cuba. The literacy rate in both Cuba and Grenada exceeds that of the US.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/155/25966.html

In Grenada during the ensuing months, the mass organizations were dismantled, the labor unions were re-organized, over half of all medical personnel were expelled, investment and tax codes were revised to favor foreign investment, and cooperatives and states enterprises were sold to private interests. Billboards that had inspired the population to work for justice, equality, development, and national sovereignty were quickly replaced by those designed to inspire them to buy American consumer products.

Read for yourselves - and form your own opinion..

Some say it was a GOP effort to keep a neighbor dependent on American business. It is interesting to observe those who try to lay at the feet of Democrats the formation of a dependent/divided society. Some feel some wealthy business persons who feel they control the politicians in this country want to keep certain segments of this country and certain countries dependent on American business interests. . . no matter what the cost to American security, freedom, etc. A novel concept, have our leaders publish who is 'supporting' them while they make decisions that affect the lives of their constituents. maybe patches on their suits/dresses like you see on NASCAR autos?

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Invasion Of Grenada

This left leaning dribble is beneath even our avowed racist. Those students were overjoyed at the sight of the 82d Airborne, a fact your reference refuses to mention. Perhaps either you or your referenced author would like to debate facts with someone who was actually on the ground?
I didn't think so.

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Ditto on Grenada

Mike speaks the truth. My brother was there, too, with the 82nd.

A few years later, on a Caribbean cruise, one port was a stop there and I have never seen a reception to match the one given to the Americans who came ashore. Blew me away. I have been on many cruises before and since that one. Never have experienced a welcome to come close to it.

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Mike!

Read the article! Of course the students were overjoyed, there was a war going on! Many islanders were overjoyed and express that sentiment even today. Stop trying to defend everything 'right' - and don't fear being exposed to another point of view. We revere George Washington as the father of our country. The British view him as a traitor. An educated person is not afraid of opposing or different views of a situation. The GOP and it's defenders are losing ground in this country because of some of the defending arguments used with biased denigration. But thank you. Comments like yours act as a deterrent to any positive action that may result from the millions of dollars being spent to win over the minority , women, youth vote in this country. You know what Mike, there are others who were on the ground there years ago. Islanders, students at the college, and military from Cuba and Grenada. They all have their version of what happened, shared from their unique perspective. The advantage that we have today is to read all accounts, and look at the results of the action. Thank you for your service. I've spoken with islanders who also express their gratitude - and rejoiced when those planes flew over Grenada. Look at the aftermath. It does not exactly resemble the Marshall Plan. There must be a way of assisting global neighbors without making them 'dependent. It's interesting how someone who believes in Americans working together, and acknowledges the cooperation of all Americans, white, black, brown, yellow, and red is considered an avowed racist. Oh well.

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This left leaning dribble is beneath even our avowed racist. Those students were overjoyed at the sight of the 82d Airborne, a fact your reference refuses to mention. Perhaps either you or your referenced author would like to debate facts with someone who was actually on the ground?
I didn't think so.

You thought wrong!

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Mike-

Just to confirm my comment to the '55' gentleman(?), I consider Grenada an operation, or at best an incursion, but far from being an invasion. My basis for this rationale is that we went, we completed the op, and we left. Would you agree, or do you have a different view as to what constitutes an 'invasion'?

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You and I would not call it an invasion based upon the scale of the operation, and also that you and I are looking at it in retrospect. Ask the families of the fifteen or so dead soldiers-maybe even the one hundred plus wounded, and they would likely offer a much different characterization.
These so called 'experts' seem to crop up after the fact to cast dispersion and to spin negatively about most every undertaking that actually benefits a region, country or people for reasons of political jealousy(my opinion).
Scholars that disagree perhaps would like to comment on why those in Grenada celebrate Thanksgiving Day on October 25th.

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Thanks, Mike.

I just wanted to ensure I was in the ballpark on my definiton & use of the word. Families of KIAs really don't care what an action is called, I believe; they just know they gave their loved one up for the Nation.

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It's sometimes difficult for those who participated in a historic event to hear another perception of that event. My friends and relatives who live on Greneda (their home), of course celebrate the event when American planes flew over the island and the Cuban's left! The older residents still talk about the 'change' that came after the American invasion (what it is called on the island). After the coup, life was improving on this impoverished island inhabited by English speaking citizens of African descent. (See the article above)- or any historical account. The Americans left - and the improved life stye also left. Citizens of any location judge the government by the way it affects them in their daily lives. (And they don't criticize the hand that feeds them) Greneda's situation today is not too different from Cuba's. (Although the residents of both countries are more literate than the residents of the United States. . .something our educators need to look at!) No one is casting dispersion on the job that was done by the military. It is the 'government' that is being looked at through 'historical eyes' and comparing the action of the 'government' after our 'military leaves'. Those of us who witnessed the Marshall Plan are beginning to look carefully at the strategy of today. . . and why we are losing the support of the residents where we have shed American blood. This is not a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist 'look' - but an American look at our current (since Reagan) foreign policy. We grow through constructive criticism. We grow through having ALL questions answered regarding government action - we grow when the questions and answers are sincere - and not for political leverage. Mike, the Democrats and Obama won - we have no reason for jealousy or envy now. The Bush, Reagan, Carter, Clinton Nixon years are history. . .and will be examined by historians and those who want to benefit from successes and mistakes of the past. Wouldn't it be wonderful if our leaders today were really examining 'history' and the present TOGETHER in order to achieve peace ? Thanks for your military service.

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DM...

...did you have relative in the Spanish-American war, too?!? Just joking! ;) It is amazing the close involvement you've had in every historic U.S. event in the Western hemisphere in the last 70 years!

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When you've lived for more than 70 years, maybe you'll share some of your 'histrionical experiences.

Presidents I have lived under: FDR; Truman; Eisenhower ; Kennedy; Johnson; Nixon; Ford; Carter, Bush; Reagan; Bush: Obama. I have experieced: End of WWII; the dropping of the atom bomb; the return of American Japanese families; Korea; Viet Nam; Brown vs Education; Civil Rights Movement; and so much more. This is a wonderful diverse country that has done so much good in the world. I have seen the American people survive challenges by pulling together and cooperatively solving problems. To witness the attempt to divide this country based on a strategy that uses the ignorant basis of racism is sad. It is sad to see the division which resembles the division of states, the division from the Civil War. Our enemies have found our Achilles Heel. Now we''re seeing unethical persons in government and the media and board rooms using this division to gain power and financial gain. Our only defense against this strategy is the vote. It can't be bought. The Koch brothers and others found this out in 2012. We have problems - and we need leaders who accept the will of the people and work together to solve these problems for the good of the country. Persons who have witnessed our government in action through all of the above administrations - have stated they have never seen the absolute non-cooperation from BOTH political parties. Who loses from this lack of cooperation? We, the people. I hope I have at least another 20 years to see our country back on track of cooperative, creative leadership in both the executive and legislative branches of our government.

Hold on. LOL - yup, we had relatives who served in the Spanish American War. :-)

Someone reminded me that I was in Georgia when most people didn't know what a Taco was!!!

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obama is lowest form of scum on the planet.

From a highly respected member of of Fayette County who has introduced us to the term 'jagoff'

Urban Dictionary: Jagoff
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jagoff
A rude assholelike person. originated in pittsburgh.

Thank you Mr. Kawfi.

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DM: u might want to edit that

Pretty sure that kind of profanity gets you put in timeout for a while.

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Nuk

You may be correct - and maybe Kawfi's misspelling ? gets him the privilege of using this denigrating term. I guess it's spelled with two 'g's in his dictionary.

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Originally, Urban Dictionary was intended as a dictionary of slang or cultural words or phrases not typically found in standard dictionaries, but it is now used to define any word or phrase.[7] Words or phrases on Urban Dictionary may have multiple definitions, usage examples, and tags.

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DM: Agree

The "jag" term Kawfi uses all the time is really pushing it here, but I'm not the one who makes decisions like that for The Citizen :)

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