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Barney Fife, commander in chief

Terry Garlock's picture

Those of you old enough to have loved the hapless deputy might bristle at the insult of comparing Barney Fife to President Barak Obama. An insult to Barney, that is.

The latest self-inflicted White House wound is the bumbling President Barney’s swap of five high-level enemy Taliban leaders held at Gitmo for U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, held by the Taliban for five years, and the clearly unsuitable White House Rose Garden press event to celebrate.

For starters, President Barney circumvented Congress, yet again, after receiving a loud and bipartisan “NO” from Congress in prior years when the same swap was proposed.

Second, granting freedom to five high-level Taliban operatives for one American soldier is not an equitable exchange in our country’s interest, especially since they will surely return to the fight against Americans.

Third, this cockeyed exchange now encourages our enemies to seek American hostages in hopes of a similar sweet deal.

Fourth, the tone-deaf White House portrayed Sgt. Bergdahl as a hero instead of the deserter he is.

Finally, at the ill-conceived Rose Garden press conference, Bergdahl’s father chanted Islamic prayers standing next to the President. How fitting.

Maybe the Rose Garden celebration was the point of it all, sort of like Obama thumping his chest when Osama bin Laden was killed, in this case a badly needed pep rally to distract from the VA scandal.

Since Army reports had long documented Bergdahl’s desertion, it is hard to believe the White House didn’t know, and astounding that they doubled down with Susan Rice asserting on Sunday talk shows that Bergdahl had served with “honor and distinction,” thereby proving yet again that Ms. Rice and the rest of the White House staff don’t have the slightest understanding what honor means in our military.

It is puzzling that the While House mitigates desertion because conditions were tough, due to Sgt. Bergdahl’s confused loyalties or his emails saying he was ashamed to be an American and was clearly having doubts about his role as a soldier.

The White House seems to put desertion in a war zone on a par with skipping class, not recognizing it is the most egregious violation of duty, severely punishable even by death.

When Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers spoke out, all six who spoke accused him of desertion and called for his prosecution. Our inept Barney Fife White House countered that these soldiers were “Swift-boating” Bergdahl, an accusation double-layered with appalling offense.

The first layer of offense is implying something dishonest about the Swift Boat veterans in 2004, teamed up with Vietnam POWs to oppose John Kerry’s presidential run because they judged him unfit for office.

Those men were a collection of the finest honor and service you would ever find, and they were right. Even if you disagreed with their conclusion, you’d have to stoop pretty low to accuse them of lying about their experience with John Kerry in Vietnam and their opinion about him as a prospective commander in chief. Just because liberals created the verb “swiftboating” doesn’t make the implication true.

The second layer of offense is the White House implying Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers are lying in their reports of desertion. These were the young men who were there, the same ones who went on many search missions looking for Bergdahl to recover him, the same men whose buddies were killed while looking for Bergdahl.

This White House crew is dumber than a Solyndra investor; they wouldn’t know honor if you spelled it for them.

To wit, while Susan Rice was sticking her foot in her mouth again, President Barney was digging the hole deeper while in Warsaw.

Clueless that veterans and current members of the armed forces would be outraged by the inequity of the trade and the celebration over a deserter, when challenged he said: “But this is what happens at the end of wars. That was true for George Washington; that was true for Abraham Lincoln; that was true for FDR; that’s been true of every combat situation — that at some point, you make sure that you try to get your folks back.”

Well, pardon the application of mere common sense, but there are a few things wrong with that excuse.

First, the war isn’t over. Second, we shouldn’t trade five enemy generals for one American deserter. Third, I think one thing our President doesn’t grasp, no matter how much he wants to compare himself to Washington, Lincoln and FDR, is that unlike him those other presidents were fighting for VICTORY.

I have never known Obama to utter that word, and to him it appears ending a war means you just leave.

Now I’ll take the gloves off. President Obama doesn’t deserve a mention in the same paragraph with those other presidents. Obama’s decisions of military strategy always seem to be dishonest at the core and intended for his own domestic political benefit. Yes, I know those are strong words.

Whether publicly dithering for weeks over a troop surge or planning withdrawal without even considering victory, blundering President Barney publicizes strategies that should be withheld from our enemies in order to please his voter base with his schedule of quitting the fight.

Just last week he publicly informed our troops in Afghanistan that America would withdraw next year, leaving in place a force of 9,800. The Taliban enemy heard it the same day while our troops continue to fight them.

Can you imagine Washington, Lincoln or FDR, in their desperate fight for victory, imposing rules of engagement (ROE) designed by lefties and lawyers to protect civilians on the battlefield at the expense of American lives?

Last year I spoke to a Marine colonel who is now a unit commander and Cobra helicopter gunship pilot, as I was in Vietnam long ago, but his experience is recent combat tours in Afghanistan.

He explained to me the ROE approval chain has become so absurd under Obama he has to make radio calls requesting authority to fire on the enemy, then wait and wait and wait while our troops are being hit on the ground, and if he ever gets radio clearance to fire, before he pulls the trigger, his radio procedure requires that he quote the regulation section that provides his authority to fire, recorded in case lawyers decide to later search for the guilty. I suppose this is the liberal way to fight a war.

Don’t get me wrong, I never felt Afghanistan was worth American blood in the first place, so I’ll be glad when all our troops come home. But it would be nice to have a commander in chief with enough sense to value security of our troops over political advantage, and even over civilians. That’s too much to expect from this clown.

There are other small signs that neither the President nor his White House advisors know anything about the military or care enough to get it right. Even when presenting the nation’s highest honor, the Medal of Honor, Obama makes the fundamental error of calling the recipient by his first name instead of respectfully by the rank he has earned. My guess is that is an innocent mistake, trying to be familiar and not intentionally condescending, but his advisors are supposed to make sure the President gets it right.

All this is a reminder that when just a small percentage of Americans ever serve in our military, the disconnect can be vast between those who order them into harm’s way and the realities that govern military lives. Since Obama surrounded himself with egghead lefties who never dreamed of military service, we should not be surprised at their anti-military attitude.

The Pentagon doesn’t get off the hook on this episode. You may have heard that in the aftermath of Sgt. Bergdahl’s desertion, his fellow soldiers were ordered to sign non-disclosure agreements on the matter, apparently to keep them quiet so the generals could classify Bergdahl as a captured POW, perhaps to avoid the public stain of a desertion case.

If this is true, I have two questions. One, who are the officers in the chain of command who lacked the spine to refuse that despicable order, and two, when will heads with stars on them roll in the Pentagon?

Will Sgt. Bergdahl be prosecuted for desertion? Ordinarily I would doubt it simply because public sentiment usually says, “He’s suffered enough.” In this case outrage is widespread so we’ll see if it lasts. He should be prosecuted if the facts bear out desertion to uphold military discipline.

Will President Barney poke more fingers in the eye of Congress and empty Gitmo to keep a promise to his liberal base? Is he deceptively maneuvering to let the bad guys go since he believes the real evil is not in them but in the military joint task force running Gitmo? I don’t know, but so far he is getting away with his many abuses of power.

If Gitmo is closed, it will be a shame to lose the expertise of the staff there, where our Muslim enemies received far more attentive treatment than American veterans at VA hospitals.

Where is Sheriff Andy Taylor when we need him?

[Terry Garlock of Peachtree City occasionally contributes a column to The Citizen. His email is terry@garlock1.com.]

Comments

Obama isn't fit to shine ol' Barney' s shoes. A more appropriate term for Obama is 'President Butt-munch'.

. Military has dealt more effectively with 'drones' than with incarceration in GITMO.

. What price victory? Due to scientific advances, more of our brave men and women are returning home - too many mentally and physically broken. No new taxes is not the answer to providing for these patriotic souls.

. If the leadership of our military and our commander in chief knew/were sure of the desertion charges, why did he receive a promotion while 'captured'?

. Sheriff Andy would have looked for solutions rather than beating a dead horse with 'Hate Obama Rhetoric'.

[quote]Don?__t get me wrong, I never felt Afghanistan was worth American blood in the first place, so I?__ll be glad when all our troops come home. But it would be nice to have a commander in chief with enough sense to value security of our troops over political advantage, and even over civilians. That?__s too much to expect from this clown.[/quote]

What would have been the story if we had turned down the deal; left one American soldier behind; and had the enemy proudly showing his decapitated body? In my opinion, one American is worth more than an army of the enemy. Our justice system or the military system will deal with the Sgt. on our soil.

Your insipidness is tiring. Who exactly stated that they "hate Obama" during this complete debacle caused by he and his administration? Can you point to one person who stated it? Just because we don't agree with his policies doesn't mean that we hate him as an individual. I mean, he is a butt-munch, but hate is rather a strong term. You bedwetters always try to paint people that don't agree with his policies (which the majority of Americans disagree with as well) as racists or haters. You really need a new schtick, Alice.

You only respond with ' Obama' stuff. Can you, with your profound wisdom respond with any other concept? Any ideas for correction to 'mistakes' by this administration? Very few in this discussion seem to 'agree' with me - but I don't participate looking for 'agreement' - but to offer another point of view. . .without denigrating those who disagree. You seem to have a problem with this. Tell Alice hello.

Gort's picture

Hey, Garloch, I thought I smelled something rotting on ?__The Citizen?_? opinion page, and when I looked, well, there you are!

Anyway, I must have less faith in the Congress then you do. My opinion is, if the Congress was consulted, some ?__TeaBraggin?__ congressmen, couldn?__t help themselves from grandstanding the issue in public, and getting the hostage killed.

Then you would have blamed the President for not bringing home the soldier alive, eh? Lets face it, that?__s just who you are.

All this desertion talk will be sorted out in time, if true, a court martial should follow.

BTW, this is what I think of when someone associates the name Barney Fife with a President. Remember this? Ha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

brewster's picture

Barney would always be very concerned with OBL, even to the point of going undercover and going after him himself.

SPQR's picture

Curious. If you were asked to pick the one with the most personal integrity

would you pick Bush or Kerry? What are the chances of getting a one word Answer?

You have to understand that Gort suffers from a severe Coweta County

Cul-de-Sac Cognitive Disorder!

Gort's picture

AtHomeGym, nice hearing from you. Cognitive disorder, really?_?ouch, that stings! BTW, was this your truck I seen in ?__The Citizen?_??

http://thecitizen.com/articles/05-31-2014/another-stuck-truck-what-was-l...

If yes, tough luck buddy!

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

A sense of humor is even more important in retirement days & blogging!

Gort's picture

AtHomeGym, You?__re correct, you need to have a sense of humor to post on ?__The Citizen?_? blogs. My avatar don?__t show it but I?__m smiling. So far, retirement has been easier an transition for me.

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

Gort's picture

SPQR

1. Kerry

2. Very good today.

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

They put that one a tee for you. Good work by all.

I will readily admit the stuck truck was good for a laugh...what a clown.

SPQR's picture

Thanks. always been a big fan of your avatar. "The day the earth stood still" Saw it when it was first released.

Gort's picture

I like the hard shinny head. What's the SPQR for? Are you Italian?

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

SPQR's picture

Nope. It just reminds me of what became of the Roman Empire and how we don't seem to learn anything from history.

Gort's picture

SPQR, well it?__s hard to learn lessons from history when it?__s constantly under revision.

It?__s also not advisable to drive forward too quickly when your eyes are too closely fixed to the rear view mirror, eh?

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

Git Real's picture

Your defense of this administration is dishonest and shameless at best.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

Gort's picture

I thought I was slamming the Congress not defending the President.

Besides, everyone knows, (or imagines,) a President Romney could have got our hostage freed for a box of ?__Cracker Jacks?__ and a rusty pocket knife, eh?

Remember: If you think Social Security and Medicare are worth saving, vote Democratic.

Git Real's picture

The treatment of our veterans, abandoning our border protections and security, government escalation of intruding on our private lives and eroding our personal liberties and freedoms, Iraqi soldiers and policemen whom we trained and convinced that WE had their backs if they would stand against terrorism, are now lining the roads to Baghdad are murdered and beheaded. US militiary assets being used against the Iraqi people. Reinforcing the terrorists by replentishing thier ranks with released terrorists. Benghazi lies,.... my god this list is expanding at such a rapid pace and hacks like you continue on pounding congressional arse when they have been the only branch of government 'somewhat' restricting Dear Leader's ineptness or nefarious agenda or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Gort... In your defense of this administration and the leftist agenda that is killing this counrty right now is what you stand on.... then I stand against you and the battle lines are drawn. Let the SHTF sooner than later......

You guys are mentally ill.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

The 'talking points' are not original; the 'stand' is each individuals right; and I know those of you who are 'standing' hate to hear this - but how did we get into Iraq is the first place? BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME AND LET THE DRONES DO THE WORK!

Cyclist's picture

Obama's West Point Commencement Speech - May 2014

It is absolutely true that in the 21st century, American isolationism is not an option. <strong>We don?__t have a choice to ignore what happens beyond our borders. </strong>If nuclear materials are not secure, that poses a danger to American citizens.

<strong>As the Syrian civil war spills across borders, the capacity of battle-hardened extremist groups to come after us only increases. </strong>Regional aggression that goes unchecked, whether in southern Ukraine or the South China Sea or anywhere else in the world, will ultimately impact our allies, and could draw in our military. We can?__t ignore what happens beyond our boundaries.

?_݃_?...

Drones alone are not going to stop the horde that is moving towards Bagdad.

So is he going to follow through with what he stated or will we see more lines in the sand?

Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

PTC Observer's picture

Talk is cheap, he sees no options other than waiting until they show up at our doorstep. By then, he will be in Ashville, blaming someone or something else.

Failed policies are excused by weather, floods, tsunamis, Republicans, capitalists, Europe, China or anything else that strikes his fancy.

His results can be summed up in one word.

Incompetence

Not to worry. He can Skype with his spot on national security team while in the cozy comfort of his cross country weekend trip to....Palm Springs with Moochelle, of course!

Doesn't every CINC head to Palm Springs when radical religious terrorists are beheading lawful soldiers and security forces trained by us and are doing so riding around in our military jeeps and tanks and every other piece of equipment they have stolen?

Hey, we should all feel so comfortable, not to worry, man:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule

May allah save his soul.

Cyclist's picture

Perhaps he'll jet over to Port Hueneme and spend time with all the recent illegals transported from Texas and tell them about the plan to spend just over <strong>2 billion dollars </strong> to take care of them.

Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

he will be just too busy on the golf course tomorrow. Anyway, he needs to have a photo op to make that announcement. Lots of illegal 3 & 4 year olds and pregnant 14 & 15 year olds standing (way) behind him while he announces the travesty of Congress for not acting on a policy. Of course, those poor souls with MRSA and chicken pox and other yet unknown illnesses and have never had a vaccine in their lives will not be in the crowd. The 2 billion will get them through this minor blip on their trip to nirvana to go live with their other illegal family members already here.

Oh, and let's not forget Putin has had a column of tanks, APC's and vehicles with cannons moving into eastern Ukraine for the last few days.

Or, we can all just focus on the price of gas going above $4.00 a gallon forever by the end of the summer. At least until ISIS takes control of the oil in southern Iraq and it then goes above $5.00 a gallon.

Finally, the comment made to former Lt. Col. Kenneth King, who in 2009 was in charge of the detention facility at Camp Bucca in Iraq. The now head of ISIS, al Baghdadi, was transferred from this detention camp and handed over to the Iraqis who then set him free. On his way out, al Baghdadi said to King, "I'll see you in New York."

Git Real's picture

If you were as enlightened as we on the left are you would realize that somehow.... $5.00 a gallon gas is a good thing and pregnant and diseased children being warehoused on our borders is a good thing. Don't worry guys..... Obama has 'got this' and we are all going to better off somehow through all this....

On another note..... Putin is rolling tanks back into the Ukraine. Can't wait for them to finally take over so we can move our focus onto something else. It was about time President Obama cleared the path for the Russians...

Now where is that Bush character so we can pin more blame on him. I hate them Republicans that hate women, blacks and gays and are the cause of global warming.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

Cyclist's picture

Reports have the ISIS horde within 60 miles of Bagdad.

I would not be a bit surprised if we witness April 30, 1975 all over again.

Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

PTC Observer's picture

So where are we when Baghdad falls? Well, I would say that we are in a worse place than before we started to take out the Taliban. ISIS will have the following resources: 1) Oil 2)Gold/Treasure 3)Empowered and experienced fighters 4) Large weapon stores (brought to them by all the equipment left behind by the retreating Americans 5) Time

They will have a crippled Iran to their East and a Russian backed puppet government in Syria. ISIS is likely funded by the Russians.

So, the end game for ISIS is and will always be the complete destruction of America (the great Satan) and it's puppet Israel. Something the Russians wouldn't object to at all.

The difference in the fall of Saigon and the fall of Baghdad is chillingly simple, the war will come to America's shores, likely through our porous southern border.

Mr. Obama's incompetence is criminal.

Git Real's picture

My president isn't incompetent. He is well informed and has the best intelligence and resources known to man at his finger tips. This wasn't incompetence. It was intentional...... The outcome and results were predictable and a 'given'.

Now quit calling my president incompetent. And let's get back to intentionally and "Fundamentally" changing this country. Tis time to move "Forward" in aiding Latin America and Mexico's annexation of this once imperialist European US government. Now that Iraq is out of our hair we can pursue 'border reform' and start constructing Rest Stops and Welcome Centers along the border to welcome all these fine folks who are here to rescue our economy with a much needed workforce and new voters.

Heaven forbid we should 'put to work' the "youths" of this country to benefit our economy.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

began in North America when Columbus made his discovery; when England colonized the 'east' coast; when Indians were forced to relocate (Manifest Destiny); when Asians were not allowed to own land or vote; when slavery ended and Jim Crow became a 'way of life'. The words and intent of our Constitution does not 'suggest' these 'changes'. In reading this mornings paper (2014) - it has been suggested that bringing jobs back from foreign countries; improving the education of our youth; reforming our tax structure; reforming our immigration policy; conserving energy and using more modern forms of energy as well as cleaning up through technology older energy giving systems; may be a way of improving the future. We are the United States of America because foreign countries did not become involved in our Civil War and our practice of apartheid . Why do we feel that we can institute democracy in countries that have such a different history than ours in a matter of years - when it has taken the US well over 200 years to approach what our Constitution represents? Those in the middle east, through modern communication are well aware of the reality of the attitude of the US towards persons of color and different religions, In Europe, we initiated the Marshall Plan. However our NO NEW TAXES political friends feel (possibly) that carrying the BIG STICK and instituting fear of our military might is a good substitute for a MARSHALL PLAN? Just saying.

We, as Americans, need to understand the conflict in Iraq - which has been going on for thousands of years. As of now, we appear to have a Congress that is more interested in being elected in the next election than in serving the interests of the American people. As long as there is little 'statesmanship' exhibited by those we elect - regardless of political party - our Congress will be seen as obstructionist and self- serving by the majority of the American people.

There are many articles that shed a little light on the history of Iraq. Our pulling out was based on the Prime Ministers request!!

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/06/iraq_su...

The reality of the withdrawal from Iraq: (From Wikipedia) Check research notes.

<cite>The U.S.?__Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1] <strong>The pact required criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and required a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that were not related to combat.[1] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity. If U.S. forces committed still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they would have been subjected to an undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certified the forces were off-duty.[2][3][1][4]</strong></cite>

PTC Observer's picture

SOFA or the security of the United States of America? Leadership requires hard decisions DM, something we can't expect from our current government. It failing in the only principle that gives it legitimacy, the protection of our Freedoms.

We will regret the day our President decided that an agreement was more important than our security.

I respect your right to your opinions. Thank God you do not make 'hard choices' based on your investigation of the problem.

What 'freedom' would remaining Americans have under this?

[quote]The pact required criminal charges for holding prisoners over 24 hours, and required a warrant for searches of homes and buildings that were not related to combat.[1] U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity. If U.S. forces committed still undecided "major premeditated felonies" while off-duty and off-base, they would have been subjected to an undecided procedures laid out by a joint U.S.-Iraq committee if the U.S. certified the forces were off-duty.[2][3][1][4][/quote]

U.S. contractors working for U.S. forces would have been subject to Iraqi criminal law, while contractors working for the State Department and other U.S. agencies would retain their immunity.

Would you want your son or daughter to have remained in IRAQ under this agreement? What 'freedom' protection would they have from being held on 'criminal charges'?

PTC Observer's picture

ignore SOFA DM, if it's not in our country's best interests to follow it ignore it, what's in our interest is winning a war.

Giving another country the right to arrest American citizens, military for carrying out their job? Their 'job' was to provide assistance to the new government - the war was 'over'.

PTC Observer's picture

You're twisting my meaning again, DM. We ignore the "government" of Iraq when it's in our interest to ignore them DM.

Our job was not to provide assistance, our job was to kill our enemy and convince others to kill our enemy. The policy of bringing along the population to our side was a political calculation that only worked when we had the force of arms on our side. Call it peace through superior firepower if you like.

By those who do not treat others as they would want to be treated. Who has the right to come within our borders and kill us - their perceived 'enemy'? Remember 9/11?

[quote]Our job was not to provide assistance, our job was to kill our enemy and convince others to kill our enemy. The policy of bringing along the population to our side was a political calculation that only worked when we had the force of arms on our side.[/quote]

Without knowing and recognizing that all mankind has a desire for freedom - the government that was put in 'power' excluded a large segment of the citizens of Iraq. Are we, Americans, surprised at this uprising?

Git Real's picture

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2658286/Return-Mosul-Days-Iraqs-...

THIS is the blood that is on this administrations hands and now ask yourself how many of these useless, murderous feral animals are crossing our border into this country through Mexico right now.

Sorry folks.... been awhile since I posted a link.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

pictures that show a people being taken over by a murderous evil philosophy such as Nazism - and other people trying to protect themselves from a ruthless government. OUR GOVERNMENT replaced another ruthless human in Iraq - how did we handle that? (Obama wasn't president then.) This is an ugly Civil War - where people of different philosophies have NEVER been able to reconcile their differences for any appreciable amount of time. For 200+ years, citizens of the United States have been able to work with others with different points of view - even after killing their brothers in a terrible Civil War. To continue to blame just Obama - and expect the American people to support the US - without the cooperation of the rest of the globe - to help the people in this situation by boots on the ground, is unrealistic.

Leverage and diplomacy is needed here - not more brandishing of the sword. These people ISIS and other terrorist groups, have proven that they can hurt the US - and they don't need to cross the Mexican border to do it. Three airplanes did quite a lot of damage - and an immigration system that needs to be reformed.

<strong>CONGRESS GET TO WORK - OR GO HOME!</strong>

PTC Observer's picture

Nope, he's incompetent and so are all of this staff and the Congress that supports his policies. They work upon flawed principles and philosophy that true, but you see Git Real, that's part of their collective (pardon the pun) incompetence.

That's why democracy never works, the collective majority is no more "wise and competent" than individuals, it fact it is a myth to think that it is more competent.

Our current administration is a reflection of the incompetence of the electorate. An electorate, I might add, that is energized to take wealth from some citizens for their own benefits. A concept that is totally foreign to the principles upon which our country was founded. A Republic created to protect the security of Freedoms we all enjoy.

A social contract that has been corrupted long ago, thus leading us to our current sorry state of affairs.

<strong>That's why democracy never works</strong>

Never is a long time. What/where would you rather be?

PTC Observer's picture

I would rather be free, how about you?

Look there's really no need for us to carry on a dialog DM, you have totally bought into our current state of affairs, that's clear. Our current state of affairs was brought to us by the governmental social democratic system you blindly support. I think everyone reading these pages get your well thought out position. That's the problem DM, it's well thought out but it doesn't make it moral.

No need to continue dialog with you. You have given up on our way of life. There are problems, your solution, IMO, is to give up. My 'position' is trying ways for Americans to work together to make corrections - leave the extreme politics out of it. I agree - no point in any more dialog with you. Others in our country are not afraid of sharing ideas and hopefully reaching some point of working towards solutions. This is happening all over our country - and our national election will be most important . VOTE! PARTICIPATE! :-)

From the immoral Davids mom.

Git Real's picture

Is this president and his attorney general law abiding?

Yes or no answer please.

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

Start the impeachment proceeding if the answer in your opinion is 'no'. In my opinion - more law abiding than the administrations of Nixon and Reagan (Remember Iran/Contra?)

Git Real's picture

I am not willing to trade my liberty and freedoms for the faux security, trinkets and beads this government proposes to offer from here out......

Nuff said and a hopeful peace to all in days to come.....

<em><strong>Stupid can't be fixed. We can only vote him out</strong></em>

Robert W. Morgan's picture

How about we as a nation or a few congressmen representing us decide that the Lois Lerner missing e-mails are really way beyond any reasonable explanation and that someone in the administration might be engaged in criminal activity. Easy so far, right? Put Lois in jail? Sure but unlikely she kept copies.

But, the next step is that the only way left to unearth those e-mails is to ask the NSA (who has them and can find them) to produce them. Justice? Sure, since we will probably nail Valerie Jarrett and maybe even Prezbo. Freedom and liberty? Grey area. Security? There really isn't any left for individuals at this level.

Lest you think this is hypothetical, next week we will see some congressman from Texas proposing exactly this course of action. Should be an interesting debate.

My guess is that Thomas Jefferson (if he came back for just this issue) would easily understand the technology involved and declare using it against our enemies is fine, using against U.S. citizens is not fine, but using it to curtail the abuses of an overreaching and intrusive government would be quite appropriate - and he probably want to disband the IRS during the penalty phase. I know I would.

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