FreeSpeech for 10-06-10

Outdoor burning ban is lifted. That’s great. Just when the weather cools down and we can turn off the air conditioning and open the windows. Guess we will have to hold our breath until the ban goes back into effect. Why can’t you just be a good neighbor and bag it and take it to the recycling center?

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Nothing lowers the quality of life in a town more than that angry, thumping, heartbeat noise that is popular with a few idiots and their “pimped” cars. I’m trying to have a nice evening on my back porch and suddenly it feels like there’s an earthquake or explosion somewhere. It’s a LOUD bass noise. I can’t believe this is acceptable in Peachtree City. Then I realize the source of the noise and I can’t help but feel like I live in some sort of ghetto. Low quality living. I don’t know where these individuals come from, but I think it’s time we silence the blaster tubes in their cars. Extremely loud noises are universally unacceptable. I should not have to tolerate sonic assault. It is a violation and these youngsters should be taught what is and isn’t appropriate and considerate in a civilized society. I am asking, as a citizen of Peachtree City, that the police please step up enforcement of the noise ordinances. Toughen the penalties if necessary. I know I’m not the only one who feels this way. If you live near Ga. Highway 74, Peachtree Parkway, Robinson, Crosstown, or Hwy. 54, you definitely know what I’m talking about. Let’s find a solution to this growing problem. This is the #1 quality of life issue in Peachtree City, as far as I’m concerned. Thanks for reading my rant.

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I was sorry to hear the PTC Council is still considering a ban on gas carts. I use the paths for walking and for my electric cart and have for seven years, and during that time I have very seldom encountered a gas cart. I don’t believe there are that many here. The carts are not that loud and the smell of fumes lasts only a few seconds as they pass. They certainly do not pollute the the air as much as the numerous semi-trucks that travel Hwy. 54 through town day and night. I also don’t recall any of the council members saying they would ban gas carts before the last election. To do it now would be unfair and an abuse of power. What next, will they mandate hybrid autos for all citizens in the city? We are all hunkered down now waiting to see what the federal government will do to us next. We shouldn’t have to worry about our City Council in the same way.

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Thought I’d seen it all until I saw a bicyclist on Hwy. 54 in the middle of town, texting while driving a bicycle through town. I was behind him for a while and thought he was either drunk or impaired, but when I pulled up beside him, he was texting. This is just the greatest country in the world: you can ride down a major highway and text on your phone at the same time.

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I’d be delighted to share the road with cyclists. Is your bicycle licensed and are you paying insurance to drive it on the road? If not, hop on the cart path and quit blocking traffic on Hwy. 74 and 54 and endangering the public on Peachtree Parkway north and south.

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Aren’t bicyclists adorable in their brightly colored “Sesame Street” Speedo outfits? They look so manly and feminine.

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I have no problem with sharing the road with bicyclists. Although if I am going to share the road with them, I think it should be mandatory that they have their bicycles inspected yearly, pay taxes on them and have them properly licensed to use the roadways.

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Bicyclists on Peachtree Parkway north and south and on Hwy. 54 and Hwy. 74. Why not let golf carts travel on these roads also? They are more visible and provide more protection than on a bicycle and can travel just as fast or faster than a bicycle.

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Seen on the golf cart path: a blue stretch golf cart with five or six little children under 5 years old, and the Mommy (or babysitter) driving with one hand and talking on the cellphone with the other. May I ask why is it so important that you talk on the phone and jeopardize the lives of those small children? You are really a sad person.

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Someone keeps building sidewalks. These sidewalks start nowhere and end nowhere. There seems to be no logic to their location or purpose. It is the Fayetteville city planners or the county. Spend our money wisely, and this is not it. Let’s look at Whitney Street. The potholes are not deep but they can rattle your teeth and might burst a tire. City Council does not seem too concerned right now, but next year is an election year for some. Let’s see if anything happens then.

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After a 4.5 percent pay cut this past year for ALL Fayette County Board of Education employees, and a one-time “bonus” check of 1 percent of that back this year, many in the schools have found they are not being treated equally. The teachers were given a step-raise that gives them a raise for the years that they have served in the field. That is great and they deserve it, but what about the staff that work so hard to support the schools and the teachers? Although the board gave the teachers step raises, they did not give that step raise to staff positions or parapro teachers. Considering that HR only gives one year of credit for two years of work in any field and the 4.5 percent pay cut that everyone took, why are they left out? Some employes have 14 years of more experience in their field and are only given credit for six. To add insult to injury, they may have worked in the school system for four or more years, which would normally give them two steps, and have NEVER gotten a raise. Is this fair? Some of the full-time parapro teachers make so little that they have to go and get free meals at school just to feed their kids. For being the “best” school system in Georgia, are we really making it worthwhile for the good people to work for the FCBOE? How good do we want to be if Clayton County pays better?

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I have been living in a rental house for a little over two months that is found to have a mold problem. My health has suffered, and I was blessed to quickly find another place to live to get my children and me out of this unhealthy environment. I am a teacher in Fayette County and a single mother who is temporarily handicapped due to complications with a knee replacement surgery and a subsequent surgery six weeks later. Teachers get paid once a month, and my ability to move is limited. One of my coworkers caught me in an emotional state a couple days ago. I shared my plight with her. As a result, she has organized people (some of whom I do not know) to show up at my house on Saturday morning at 9 to help me move. I just wanted to let someone know that there are some seriously wonderful people in in Fayette County.

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I just returned from the members-only presale at the Friends of the Library book sale. When I got there at the opening time, an obvious book dealer was already indiscriminately grabbing handfuls of books and filling large boxes with them. He filled box after box as he grabbed books from under people’s noses. I was very offended that he was taking so many books away while I was looking at them. While I understand that the library benefits from huge sales, I think a dealer should only be allowed to shop after the rest of us have had a chance. A book dealer should not be allowed to shop before members and the general public. Even if the dealer has bought a membership in order to snag a lot of books, he should still not be allowed to make his huge purchase until the afternoon of the regular book sale day. We members are book-lovers who eagerly anticipate the book sales to find books by favorite authors. This man was only interested in taking what books he could grab and then selling them in order to make money for himself. He really took my joy out of the anticipated book sale.

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Why do road workers in Fayetteville decide to paint lines and arrows during school rush hour traffic on the main road through Fayetteville. Why not do this at night during non-busy hours. What is the road department and/or DOT thinking? Oh, maybe they aren’t.

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Although it was recently reported that Peachtree City and Tyrone have some of the lowest violent crime rates in the Atlanta area, we need to take off our rose-colored glasses and look at how crime has continually increased here over the years. We should all ask our sheriff to start the ball rolling to make these thugs not want to go to jail for free room and board and basketball. If our inmates were treated like those in Maricopa County, Ariz., and had to wear pink jumpsuits, work on chain gangs, give up smoking, coffee and unrestricted TV, that might just be a deterrent. Ask the sheriff to make the inmates clean up these blighted and foreclosed homes to help better our community. If he did this, he would be as popular as Sheriff Joe Arpaio who has been reelected an unprecedented five times. Take note, Sheriff Hannah.

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Why do we need a gate at Kenwood Park? There are plenty of Clayton County kids in our schools; why not the parks too?

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When I go to my son’s honor roll awards event I prefer not to have 40 minutes of black history month presentations forced on me. Let’s keep on task and honor those students that have worked hard for good grades. Inman Elementary, I’m looking at you.

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I am an American. I am also a Muslim and the mother of a young man who was killed in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center nine years ago. This loss has been made even more painful by the attitudes of a growing number of Americans toward people of my faith. Please, please, try to understand that the great majority of Muslims are very much like you. We too want to see our children and grandchildren grow up in a safe and peaceful world. Do not judge an entire population by actions of the fanatic few. Anti-Islamic rantings, such as several published recently in this newspaper, are adding to the prejudice and misunderstanding that hurts us all. I thank those voices that have spoken out in defense of reason and tolerance. I wish I felt courageous enough to sign my name.

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The Tyrone mayor has been trying to get the council to hire a part-time code enforcement officer. After reading the minutes of the last council meeting, I can only surmise the reason a part-time code enforcement officer is not hired is because Mayor pro tem Furr stated, “In these economic times, we ought not to be too hard on the towns’ businesses.” As a taxpayer of Tyrone, I expect the council members including Mayor pro tem Furr to enforce the town ordinances in good and bad economic times. To do otherwise is a violation of her oath of office and she and any other council member that refuses to enforce the town ordinances should be removed from office.

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How hard would it be for the owners or operators of Marnelle in Fayetteville to enforce safety laws? If you’re going to post speed limit signs in the community, then find a way to put some actions behind the signs. Also, how many arrests have to made for driving without an operator’s license before you can remove them completely? One kid has been hit in the community. Will it take a kid being killed before someone enforces the law?

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MOE

If your comments are being "jailed" for a while in order for the censor to read them, you will have to wait until they roll it over.

If it is a very long thread it will be there at the very bottom but you can click on the bottom of the original to go there!

Like most instructions anymore they are made for the "controller" or seller, not the customer!

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I was having the same problem, seems I had to log in to read the recent comments, otherwise the several hours before being able to read the comments.

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Chance, Ramsey, and Yates all vote for Sunday beer

AJC reporting that State Reps Matt "Gestapo Matty" Ramsey and John Yates, together with State Sen. Ronnie Chance, all voted in favor of local option Sunday beer sales today. The measure passed. The state reps from Newnan and Griffin voted against the measure. Deal says he'll sign it, making Georgia the 48th state in the USA to permit Sunday beer sales.

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Fresh Picked or U-Pik Strawberries

at Adams Farm today $2.35 lb. (picked), which is .15 a lb. cheaper than those Publix strawberries. And they are delicious!

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MLC ^ U-Pik

Even cheaper if U Pik--they're so plentiful, you can pick enough for several meals (unless you're greedy) in just a few miutes. Their green onions are also excellent.

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Thanks, AHG

I just might have to go back tomorrow as many of these strawberries didn't even make it to the house, they somehow just flew out of the bag and landed in my mouth in the car. Should have had lunch before I went, I suppose.:)

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Vidalia Onion crop ships April 18th

For me, it's not spring until Vidalia onions start shipping.

Last year we had storms that pushed Vidalias to an almost unheard of May 1st arrival date. This year we had a few storms too, so the crop has been delayed almost two weeks, but the Ag commissioner has formally set the shipping date for this year's bumper crop of onions to April 18th

Mark your calendars!

-Chris P. Onions

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Now that is news worth reporting..

The pithy national comments are for the birds.

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Well, Spyglass, I try..

I try to help out with the "Important Cheese" news around here.

I mean, John "The Amazing" Munford's gotta sleep sometime, right?

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Gezzzzz Cal

Would you at least explain (not that you have to since you are KING) why free speech is dead? This paper in the last few months is dying. Why in the world should anyone bother paying for a paper that is increasingly known as a paper that censures it's participants. OK... I get doing that when there are threats hurled around... but could/would you please explain why this section titled "FREE SPEACH" is DEAD! Should we take it to mean that you are no longer interested in Free Speech. Which I am fairly sure you know is why any public publications (hence the word PUBLIC in it) EXISTS in the 1st place. I am sure that I am not the only one that is curious about this since I too was once censured and banned for asking a simple question not so very long ago in the very forum. Anyone that is also curious is also invited to chime in.

A response from the KING is eagerly anticipated.

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Classical music deters loiterers

From Associated Press,

"Just feet from a methadone clinic at a grimy crossroads in far east Portland, Ore., transit officials and police are hoping a touch of class will chase off the vagrants, vandals and ne'er-do-wells that loiter near a busy transit stop.

Since November, the regional transit department has approved the playing of classical music in an effort to ward off the kind of crimes that happen when people just hang around......

...changing the music is changing the audio environment. "Eighteen-to-25-year-olds are not the big ones into classical music because it's not cool."

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking???????

I'll pimp my ride and offer the following selections form Cy's list of favorites to ward off those "ne'er-do-wells"

Mussorgsky's Promenade

Aaron Copland - Fanfare for the Common Man

The Ride of the Valkyries (Die Walküre)

Oh, roundabout will ride shotgun with me. :-)

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Anyone else smell rotting stench on this blog?

just asking.

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Sweetcakes please know what you're talking about b-4 you comment

In the BMMS 'talent show' the different grades did not complete against each other. The winners were selected within their respective grade levels and did not compete against the other grades. I did not have a child in the competition and if I was a parent at BMMS I would not let my child participate in anything this woman was affiliated with. Your opinion does not matter in the least to me. I was there, I know what I saw and heard and the 6th grade 'winners' were fine for beginning music students but were in no way as talented as some of the non-winners. You can continue defending your friend and I hope she and her judges can live with themselves after stealing from children. BTW-I don't care what your name is and if you're so incensed by my anonomous comments, write to the op/ed page and sign your name.

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BMMS Talent Show

As one of the judges in this talent show you speak of, I would like to clarify a few things.
None of the judges knew the first thing about any of the contestants before the show; their grade, talent, abilities, whether they are in orchestra, chorus, or neither.
I had also never met the orchestra teacher before this event. I met her right before the show and she explained the rubrics we were to use in order to figure out our score for each contestant. Each contestant was judged on their presentation, technique, difficulty of the piece, mistakes made or not made, entertainment, preparation, creativity. As you can see, the scores had nothing to do with what the talent was. It had to do with how each contestant performed in each of those categories. All the orchestra teacher did was total our scores. She showed us the scores and the totals before they were announced to make sure that was what we had in fact chosen and that there had been no manipulation of scores.
If you would like to "attack" anyone, it should be the judges. Not the school or the teachers. Blame us. This has nothing to do with the orchestra teacher. The very reason she and the chorus teacher chose to have judges was because of this very thing--they did not want to have to choose between all of the talents. Every single student who participated did an awesome job. It's not about who wins. It's about the experience; what the child learns through the process of preparing, performing, and proceeding with life, regardless of the results. Looking back on my own childhood--I don't remember the games I WON or the music festivals/competitions at which I received the highest scores. I remember the experiences. That is what is important. Let's not steal the joy of that for these children and those of us who participated in other ways and especially those who planned the event by making false character accusations and worrying about who won. In reality, they all won.

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Cyclist's Excellent Adventure

Picked-up a stump grinder this morning to finish-off those nasty old Bradford pear tree stumps - 5 total. Worked on them from 0900 to 1830 (6:30P). I was working on the 4th stump and the dadgum grinder thingy stopped running for no reason. Grrrrrrrrr!!!

Hey Cal,

Please unfreeze my account. Blogging via a Blackberry is rather taxing.

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Cy-you must have mucho mulch

now. Can you hear this post? I sure hope you wore earmuffs or you must be deaf by now. That's a lotta grinding.

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moelarrycurly

Yep, I wore them muffs. But that sure didn't help my aching body in fact, I'm still sore today. Now, I have to fill them holes.

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Citizen corrections

Thanks for the 'corrections' column.

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Shame on BMMS

I attended a "talent show" Friday, March 11th at BMMS where it was obvious that the teacher in charge of the event preselected some of the winners. The 6th grade competition was highjacked from the most talented participant to orchestra students. Since the orchestra director was in charge and actually sat with the "judges" throughout the program, it was obvious that she controlled the outcome. I hope this individual and her accomplice judges can sleep after stealing from a child. What are you teaching your students if you award prizes to less deserving contestants based on your ability to wield power and not based on merit? You cheapened the event for all the students who did their best when you chose not to make it a level playing field. Shame, Shame on you. You owe everyone an aploogy for such an obvious fraud perpetrated on a 12 year old, and indeed on those of us who attended the event expecting a fairly judged competition.

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SHAME ON QSEAL!

How can you say the BMMS Talent Show was hijacked by orchestra students when first place didn't even go to an orchestra student? Just because your "talented child" did not win does not mean the show was rigged. Have you considered perhaps your 6th grader cannot compete against 7th and 8th graders when it comes to talent? I happen to know all three of the judges are respectable people within the community and would never allow their good names to be tainted with a "controlled" outcome. So badmouthing the judges wasn't bad enough you had to go and point your finger at the orchestra teacher. The teacher who used her personal off time to plan and coordinate an event to raise money for BMMS and yes, her classes. Shame on you QSEAL, that is nothing more than YOU being childish and throwing a temper tantrum because YOU didn't get the outcome YOU wanted. What are YOU teaching your child? ~ M Lennon (not ashamed to put my name)

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Shame on BMMS

I attended a "talent show" Friday, March 11th at BMMS where it was obvious that the teacher in charge of the event preselected some of the winners. The 6th grade competition was highjacked from the most talented participant to orchestra students. Since the orchestra director was in charge and actually sat with the "judges" throughout the program, it was obvious that she controlled the outcome. I hope this individual and her accomplice judges can sleep after stealing from a child. What are you teaching your students if you award prizes to less deserving contestants based on your ability to wield power and not based on merit? You cheapened the event for all the students who did their best when you chose not to make it a level playing field. Shame, Shame on you. You owe everyone an aploogy for such an obvious fraud perpetrated on a 12 year old, and indeed on those of us who attended the event expecting a fairly judged competition.

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As one of the judges in this

As one of the judges in this talent show you speak of, I would like to clarify a few things.
None of the judges knew the first thing about any of the contestants before the show; their grade, talent, abilities, whether they are in orchestra, chorus, or neither.
I had also never met the orchestra teacher before this event. I met her right before the show and she explained the rubrics we were to use in order to figure out our score for each contestant. Each contestant was judged on their presentation, technique, difficulty of the piece, mistakes made or not made, entertainment, preparation, creativity. As you can see, the scores had nothing to do with what the talent was. It had to do with how each contestant performed in each of those categories. All the orchestra teacher did was total our scores. She showed us the scores and the totals before they were announced to make sure that was what we had in fact chosen and that there had been no manipulation of scores.
If you would like to "attack" anyone, it should be the judges. Not the school or the teachers. Blame us. This has nothing to do with the orchestra teacher. The very reason she and the chorus teacher chose to have judges was because of this very thing--they did not want to have to choose between all of the talents. Every single student who participated did an awesome job. It's not about who wins. It's about the experience; what the child learns through the process of preparing, performing, and proceeding with life, regardless of the results. Looking back on my own childhood--I don't remember the games I WON or the music festivals/competitions at which I received the highest scores. I remember the experiences. That is what is important. Let's not steal the joy of that for these children and those of us who participated in other ways and especially those who planned the event by making false character accusations and worrying about who won. In reality, they all won

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I was there

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Joe,

I do not doubt that you were there, however the bloggers group that I was in did not include either you or Fred Garvin. Perhaps there were two groups of Citizen bloggers at that location who were not aware of the others' presence.
We need a flag with a coat of arms designed and made so it can be displayed for all interested parties to rally under.

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Rally Flag

I will always have a copy of "The C" on the table with the front page-up.

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Kawfi & Coffee

If you were there, you wwere well disguised--unless you came dressed as Steve Lindsey, who is really hard to miss.

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Meeting

I think maybe there was three groups there and maybe a single or two!

I suspected one group who were rackety and argued over Obama.

But there was another group who spoke softly and turned their good ear to a certain table. These were the TEAS.

The couple of individuals were female in my opinion.
One was taking pictures.

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Did you get any good shots of attendees on your Kodak Brownie?

I saw your tape recorder in the suitcase by your left foot. We recognized you even with the phony mustache and beard. Your toupee needs a little work-and may I suggest, if you are going incognito that having a blond toupee, black beard and red moustache only draws attention. I know the after-Halloween sale at Party City was hard to pass up and the selections left a lot to be desired, but you stuck out like a sore thumb, or an eccentric curmudgeon. Hmm, well maybe it wasn't a disguise at all just a good sale on hair dye. Next time, Bonkie, just join the group, if you try it you might like it!

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Well actually roundabout....

if you really want to know, we talked about you and your different iterations. :-)

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Fred & Coffee

No, it was Cyclist, Carbon, Jevank, Steve Lindsey, and yours truly.

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Got home and the grass dared me....

to cut it. So I did. I also got a little chain saw action in. Of course, I got held-up again at the gas station to fill up my jerrycan. Ouch!!!!!!!! Wish I had an old goat. Speaking of that, where is he?????????????? roundabout, where have you been?????????

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Cy, it's all your fault

My grass hadn't heard that it was time to grow requiring me to cut it.

But now that you've cut your's it will no doubt tell other yards to start to grow. Nice going.

Now I'm going to have to change the oil and sharpen the blade.

Next year please try and wait until April.

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bad ptc & grass

if you believe yards talk to each other, you've got a biger problem than getting your oil changed & blade sharpened.

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AHG, actually plants do communicate with one another

Look it up.

P.S. It will require you to actually visit, read and understand something not from the Citizen.

I have every confidence that with practice even you will be able to do it.

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Bad PTC & Communication

Perhaps you would benefit from actually attending one of the coffee meetings and talk to some of us in person==just maybe.

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AHG

Was Fred there too?

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Hutch, Coffee & Fred

Negatory--no Fred.

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FCHS Lady Tigers State Champs

Way to go Ladies, AWESOME SEASON.

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Hutch & "No Show"

What happened this morning? We missed you, but Steve Lindsey took up some of the slack! You must be waiting for the free beer!

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AHG

Sorry, had to do a couple of heat calls this morning and then went golfing.

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Hutch & Heat Calls

Understand completely--there'll be another time!

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These Girls Do Not Deserve

our support for such a gratuitous display of socialism conducted in the guise of youth sports. Why should the taxpayers have to fork out their hard-earned dollars to build massive pork-barrel gymnasiums just so 15 or so students can play a simple game of bouncy ball! Ludwig von Mises is spinning in his grave I am sure, as are all the other good and deceased Austrian economists, libertarians, former Melears' customers, and other real red-blooded US citizens!

Do the math. What is the cost per player, including the gym, buses, insurance, gasoline, nets, goals, referee pay, parking lot, shoelaces, etc? Well, I will tell you, its over 2.5 million dollars per player! Per player! I am sure Observerofu can back up these figures with some figures from the NY Times with Bacon's help!

This assault on the US Constitution must stop! I demand that the Republican led legislature under the gold dome in Atlanta immediately vote to repeal youth sports socialism yesterday! We must drain the life blood from all socialistic sports programs in our fine state!

Who knows, some of these state champion players could go on to become public school teachers with state-funded salaries, sick leave, pensions, and such.

Swift Death To Evil!

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Ninja funny? Perhaps. Ninja proposal coming true elsewhere?

Looks like it. No money available for High School sports in Duval county FL
Governor Rick Scott of FL is doing his best folks. Bless his heart.

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Hey Ninja

Was this supposed to be funny, It kind of is, But I think you are a mental.

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was supposed to be funny, in a Swiftian sort of way.

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Ok Ninja

Thanks, I thought it was a strange article of humor. Just wanted to make sure you were not crazy. I feel better now. I will cut my grass today so I dont get behind the neighbors

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Ninja & "Girls"

How convenient that multiple personalities are permitted here--how sad that anyone must resort to such tactics.

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AtHomeGym & Anthony Perkins

I think I must have one of those faces you can't help believing.

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Ninja & who to believe

I'm more prone to believe those who show up at the Coffee Meetings to talk face to face.

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Followers of the Ninja

Code must never reveal their identities. That is what makes us Ninjas! Also, what makes you think I was not at the recent coffee meeting? I like a good cup of Starbucks on Saturday mornings just like everyone else. I just like to sit unnoticed--its the Ninja way.

A Ninja's mind, body, spirit and heart are one.

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I thought I saw you!

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my spirit that was there, as we Ninjas can do that teleportation thing.

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AtHomeGym

It appears that there were more bloggers at the coffee get together than what was readily apparent. Curiouser and curiouser.

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Carbo & Crowded Coffee Call

Guess we were lucky to get a seat at all!

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Rep. Matt Ramsey willing to help

Help is on the way, Ninja.

State Representative Matt Ramsey has introduced legislation in the General Assembly giving police officers the right to stop any basketball game in progress and determine the citizenship status of any player via fingerprinting and/or DNA testing.

Players not carrying photo ID proving their citizenship will be removed from the game immediately.

In order not to adversely impact Caucasian players, this proposed legislation will only apply to players with Hispanic surnames on their jerseys.

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But you see, Ramsey knows that the Governor nor the assembly will pass such a bill due to the farm lobbyists.

But he will get votes for saying he is AGAINST MEXICANS.

THEY REFUSE TO CARRY "PAPERS." And neither does Mr. Ramsey, or the Governor.

There are also a bunch of Arabs here, Jewish folks, Italians, Hungarians, Irish, Germans, Japanese, Tais, Vietnamese, Chinese, Central Americans, Africans, Columbians, Equidorians, Brazillians, Chileans, Indonesians, Aussies, Russians, Iranians, Turks, Afghans, Pakistanies, East Indians,
and Hawaiians and others.

They don't have "papers" either and get all of the Convenience store jobs!

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Rest assured, roundabout

You can rest assured, Roundabout, that Rep. Matt "Gestapo Matty" Ramsey and the rest of Adolf Hitler's spirtual grandchildren (the jackbooted "Tea Party" thugs) have plenty of un-Christian vitriol and hatred in their hearts for all non-white people here in Fayette county.

There are only so many hours in a day, though, so they've opted for selective persecution of one minority at a time. Right now, they're demonizing Hispanics, I suspect they'll expand their seething hatred towards other non-English speaking minorities before too much longer.

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Tangentially topical question for clarification

Just curious, Bacon as to your thoughts... does a country, such as ours or any other, have a right to control its borders and keep as strigent of citizenship requirements as it chooses to impose?

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No "right", but an obligation

I've already expressed my opinion on this, but once again...

A country has no "rights", it has "obligations". An obligation to secure its borders. We're in agreement up to this point, no?

The question then becomes, exactly who is responsible for securing our borders?

I am of the opinion, and a United States District Court judge agrees with me, that this is a matter of federal concern, not state concern. Arizona's anti-Hispanic statutes were voided (at considerable cost to the state of Arizona, I might add), and I have no doubt that Gestapo Matty's legislation will soon meet a similar ignominious fate if enacted.

I am of the opinion that this legislation needs to be "all encompassing", or thrown out altogether. Relying upon the "judgement" and/or "suspicions" of local law enforcement is asking for trouble. Fayette county law enforcement has done a stellar job enforcing laws that are clearly defined, but has a much less admirable record when it comes to "judgment" calls:

  • Remember Wayne Hannah's 'wink-nudge' treatment when Judge English got caught publicly fornicating a woman who was not his wife?
  • Remember when PTC Captain Stan Pye left his service revolver on a golf cart at an Air Show where it was accessible to children...and how he threatened to arrest anyone who complained about his goof?
  • Remember when the PTC police debated for over an hour whether to let drunk driving city manager Bernie free without charging him
  • The entire Tyrone Dept of Speed Traps....enough said

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My point is, we cannot trust local law enforcement to consistently make correct judgment calls.

Either we make Gestapo Matty's "Citizenship papers, bitte" legislation apply to everyone in this county, from the third generation inbred Melears-loving yokels to the upscale yuppies at the Peninsula to the Hispanic folks in Wynnmeade, or we don't apply it at all. Share the pain. Let's see how everyone likes havin' their citizenship questioned.

None of this garbage about singling out Hispanics for "special treatment", like the Nazis did to the Jews in the 1930s.

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Okay, a continuation then Bacon

Our country has an "obligation" to secure its borders and to ensure that the citizenship of the country is controlled. Controlled by birth of citizens (and citizenship should follow from the parents as they model in europe), or naturalization in a federal process. Therefore the US government has an obligation, a duty, a requirement to protect the borders and points of entry. Therefore, control at the contiguous land borders-northern Canada, southerm Mexico, and control over airports and sea ports of entry. Shouldn't then, the US government be required to secure the southern and northern borders? If it is objectively shown that they are not doing it, what then are the rights of the citizens? Why are open borders considered sacrosanct by the left? As a proud leftist and defender of the irresolute, if the US government decides to build walls, why must the decision be derided?

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Secured borders

Shouldn't then, the US government be required to secure the southern and northern borders?
To my knowledge, and I probably travel internationally more than anyone not named Cyclist, our borders are pretty darn secure. I get asked for my passport every darn time I drive or fly back into this country

If it is objectively shown that they are not doing it, what then are the rights of the citizens?
I would say that their "rights" end with the ability to elect a government more in tune with their thinking. Period. To use a somewhat imperfect analogy, recall that the United States Marines were getting their collective asses kicked in Fallujah back around 2003-2004 (Read Thomas Ricks' Fiasco. For whatever reason, they were failing to accomplish their mission). Was any serious thought given to, say, sending the Tyrone police department over there to do what the Marines could not? After all, the Tyrone PD had firearms training, just like the Marines! No, we didn't send the Tyrone PD...they weren't adequately trained despite a superficial resemblance to the USMC. Two totally different missions. The same holds true with Federal immigration agents and local cops.

Why are open borders considered sacrosanct by the left?
To my knowledge, the left does NOT consider "open borders" sacrosanct. That's you ascribing an unpopular position to your political opponents. In the grand list of priorities, though, xenophobia ranks very high on conservative priorities and very low on moderate and liberal priorities.

As a proud leftist and defender of the irresolute, if the US government decides to build walls, why must the decision be derided?
Who is deridin' anything? I am simply of the opinion that if the majority of people want to embrace the culture of Nazi Germany, they should go "all in" and not select certain minorities like the Jews, err, Hispanics for "special treatment"

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A Continuation of the continuation
Chris P. Bacon wrote:

If it is objectively shown that they are not doing it, what then are the rights of the citizens?
I would say that their "rights" end with the ability to elect a government more in tune with their thinking. Period.

No-Citizens have the real RIGHT granted by the Bill of Rights to protect (not deprived of) life and property.
If Government cannot or will not perform this act the Citizens must do so. By your definition if an invading Army floods our borders and the Government let's them then the citizens get to vote in the next year or two?

Chris P. Bacon wrote:

Why are open borders considered sacrosanct by the left?
To my knowledge, the left does NOT consider "open borders" sacrosanct. That's you ascribing an unpopular position to your political opponents. In the grand list of priorities, though, xenophobia ranks very high on conservative priorities and very low on moderate and liberal priorities.

George Soros the ultimate progressive formed the Open Society group. This group wants open borders this has become the mantra of the progressive left.
From Soros own article:
"The Capitalist Threat," in the February 1997 "Atlantic Monthly": "Societies derive their cohesion from shared values . . . religion, history, and tradition. When a society does not have boundaries where are the shared values to be found? . . . the concept of the open society itself.""

Even the left recognizes the left is soft on secure borders:

Open borders or high-wage welfare state
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/05/04/immigration_open_bo...

Chris P. Bacon wrote:

As a proud leftist and defender of the irresolute, if the US government decides to build walls, why must the decision be derided?
Who is deridin' anything? I am simply of the opinion that if the majority of people want to embrace the culture of Nazi Germany, they should go "all in" and not select certain minorities like the Jews, err, Hispanics for "special treatment"

The progressive community loves to throw out Nazi references instead of actually confronting the logic of someone else's arguments.
This statement alone provides proof of the hypocritical nature of the Progressive left. Securing our borders is equated to being Nazi's. I don't think anyone has said any one race or ethnicity will be targeted. A secure border keeps everyone out that should not enter our Country illegally.

Why is it only the US has to have open borders? Every other Country in this World protects it's Sovereignty why is it the left feels it is wrong for us to do so?

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Chris P. Bacon wrote:

Shouldn't then, the US government be required to secure the southern and northern borders?
To my knowledge, and I probably travel internationally more than anyone not named Cyclist, our borders are pretty darn secure. I get asked for my passport every darn time I drive or fly back into this country

http://www.desertinvasion.us/video/videos.html

"Millions of illegal aliens and drug runners have entered into our nation because, while protecting the borders of countries half way around the world, the most powerful nation on earth lacks the political will to protect our own borders. Neither of the two major political parties care about the future of our country. Republican constituents profit from the cheap labor that illegal immigration brings. Democrats seek to bolster their party with votes from the immigrant bloc. Even though poll after poll shows the vast majority of Americans want their borders protected, Congress refuses to adequately address the illegal immigration invasion and to adequately fund measures to protect our border. "

Hezbollah Working with Mexican Drug Cartels
"Military and Department of Homeland Security contacts are insistent...it's not if Hezbollah operatives have been smuggled into the US...but how many? They note that drug tunnels are becoming much more sophisticated and striking similar as tunnels being used by terror organizations to smuggle weapons into the Gaza Strip."

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/548

Nuff said.

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Nuff said- but understanding lacking

They're streaming in for jobs. Jobs paid for by the cartels or American businessmen benefitting from cheap labor. Only in states like Georgia would your article be 'news'. The tunnels made the 'wall' obsolete before it was built.

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So DM we should do nothing?

Yes I know they are here for jobs AND the free Government service we the taxpayers provide.

SO is it your position that we just let them enter illegally ahead of the ones that are already in line?

Let me know when you are going to the Grocery store. When you are patiently waiting for your turn I will be sure to break ahead of you since doing nothing is better.

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Is exactly what we're doing by not making the employers follow the law by hiring legal immigrants. As for the cartels - that's an illegal business that rules with fear and pay-offs. (money!)

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Why can't we do both?

Why can't we secure the borders and go after employers that hire them?

Why does it always have to be open borders but go after employers?

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Why does it always have to be open borders but go after employers?

If we ALWAYS had open borders - there would be no need for 'tunnels'. Better 'enforcement' of border checkpoints is definitely needed. I've crossed the Mexican and Canadian borders many, many times - and always had to produce a driver’s license or proof of citizenship. I understand now that a Passport is required. Not exactly an 'open border'. Lack of enforcement - and the business of tunneling in illegals and drugs is our problem. Illegals come for 'jobs'. Drugs come because there is a thriving market for the product here in the US. Open borders as you use the term is a misnomer.

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Observer: Simple, it's the politics

CEO's and "big business" are mostly considered Repub voters. Dems are salivating that if they can find a way to legalize all the illegals now and in the future, they will be Dem voters since it was due to those high-minded, generous Dems that "gave" the illegals citizenship.

So, Repubs are too spineless to risk alienating the sleaze who willingly use illegals because they vote Repub, and the Dems shameless enough to try and add to their voter rolls, even if it is a large group of people who technically are criminals due to being here illegally. That reminds me of every now and then some black leader who happens to be a Dem wanting to restore the right to vote for convicted felons. It's pretty clear why from the Prezbo to the House/Senate no one has come up with a solution that can come close to being agreed upon. It's pure politics at its worst.

The problem in the immigration debate is that the same conflict is also present when even trying to have an adult discussion on the humongous problems with SS, Medicare and Medicaid and the effect of being a debtor nation that is broke.

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Heck no, Nuk!

We folks over here on God's side, i.e. the left, despise those invading hordes of illegal aliens, too!

Having said that, some of us do take a perverse delight in watching the Republican party repeatedly shoot itself in the foot over this issue.

As is usual in cases like this, the Repubs go too far: they want to single out and demonize ALL people not like themselves (i.e. white and over 50) and single them out for "special treatment", using their spiritual great-grandfather Adolf's "divide und conquer" techniques from the 1930s.

They seem utterly incapable of recognizin' that actions have consequences. When you demonize ALL members of a particular group for the actions of a few, you shouldn't be perplexed when virtually ALL members of this group vote against you in elections.

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Why of course we do have that right!
I think we need to build a 50 foot wall from Northern California down to San Diego, all the way across to the Florida Keys, then north to upper NY state and then across to Washington state and then down to Northern California.

To avoid tunnels under the wall we would have to run water under it and electrify the water--down about 50 feet. Then to prevent them from using 50 foot ladders mounted on fire trucks to cross, dropping their ropes down, we could station snipers every 50 yards, three shifts a day 24/7, the whole 8-10 thousand miles approximately.

I have no solution to those 100 foot ramps put up on the outside of the wall and one-half thrown over to the USA side and then a speeding piece of junk hit the ramp at about 100 MPH and jump the wall!

They also have submarines they use for spots not walled and helicopters can fly the wall and back in 60 seconds dropping the illegals at low altitude.

OR WE COULD SIMPLY PUT EVERY COMPANY'S CEO THAT HIRES AN ILLEGAL IN JAIL FOR SIX MONTHS THE FIRST TIME. Or for hiring a contractor who doesn't supply legal papers for his workers!

No job---no stay.

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thanks, roundabout, now Bacon

I undertsand your position, now what say you Bacon?
And roundabout, although I agree with your thoughts on hiring, let's make sure that we are consistent. Have ICE hang out at the normal pickup areas for day laborers and arrest the people trying to hire them for a day as well. No sense just enforcing the law on the CEO's only. Share the pain

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Wedge - Correct yet again

People that hire illegals should be fined and/or jailed for multiple offenses.

We have 30 million or so out of a job. 12-20 million illegals taking those jobs and we do nothing to stop it.

We can talk about protecting rebels in Libya but can't even start a discussion about protecting our own borders.

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But the Governor said he is now against it!
He was for it before the election, but then he voted against it---Senator Kerry said that didn't he?

Many bean farmers objected and sent big checks before the election.

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In The Process of Ridding

this great nation of undocumented interlopers, we need to really crack down and go back at least give generations! If one cannot prove that at least one of their great, great, great grandparents entered this great nation legally, tough legislation is needed to expel all of their direct descendants! Let's clean up this great nation once and for all!

Swift Death to Evil!

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Ninja: "give generations"

Yes, I agree, I think. And the President doesn't belong here, send him back to Kenya where his Father came from, I think.

They need to be obliterated even further back than give generations! If they look Hispanic (not Italian) send them out. If they look one-half funny, send them out. I'll pick the beans and fruit and roof the houses. Governor Deal says I won't, but I will.

If they own a jewelry store or most any storefront or movie production company or book-binding business, send them back.

We need to create a special police with black uniforms and high black jack boots to hunt them down and stomp them.

However don't make the deaths 'swift', as you say, make their kids watch!

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Outstanding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Kudos to TruGreen for the Green Onion/Dandelion/weeds display

along the Parkway, especially from Booth Middle to Hwy 54. Great job guys. Thanks also goes to the City Council. I think of them every time I see the great variety of weeds we are blessed with now.

Every year since TruGreen has taken over, it gets worse and worse. Limbs all over the place on the paths, etc...I guess that what the folks want.

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Coffee Time!!!!!

This Saturday - March 12, 0900 - at Starbucks PTC Publix shopping Center(HWY 54). Come by for a warm mug. We all swap stories about......well about other bloggers. Anyways, don't miss it.

Gym, I'll come by and pick you up. Shot me an e-mail with the details.

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Coffee Time!!!!!

Tomorrow Morning 0900 at Starbucks PTC Publix shopping Center(HWY 54). Come by for a warm mug and enjoy some time with other blogging characters on "The C"!!!

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Will see you all there

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Fred,

we waited for you to join the coffee gathering , but we did not see you. Perhaps next time when Cal will be invited to buy the coffee.

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What time?

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0900...................................................................

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I won't be able come, I have to be in Newnan for a bike race.

Maybe next time though. I wouldn't mind meeting some of the folks on this board and you happen to be one of them.

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I'll be there and while I sincerely appreciate your offer of a ride, I just can't eliminate Frau Gym's chance for a first visit to The Fresh Market! See you there.

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Free Shrimp Dinner at PTC Panda Express tonight! (Wed 3/9)

Get a free "Golden Shrimp Dinner" at the PTC Panda Express (in front of PTC Walmart, next to 5 guys burgers) TONIGHT 3/9 Wednesday! $5.75 value! Nothing else to buy!

Go to the Panda Express page on Facebook. Click coupon, print out the coupon....that's it.

I had to laugh, they had a stack of redeemed coupons at that restaurant that must've been an inch thick.

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The last WWI Veteran

I think it is fitting that the last WWI veteran should lie in state in the Capital Rotunda. I hope that both Speaker Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Reid will make this happen.