Ms. Willis and Hobby Lobby

This has reference to the article by Bonnie Willis about “Hobby Lobby: Where the real war is,” which appeared in The Citizen Wednesday, July 9, 2014.

The explanation Ms. Willis provided concerning “the federal government case against Hobby Lobby” is the best I have seen any place. For me her explanation was even clearer than I had previously understood.

Ms. Willis listed four options that Hobby Lobby was faced with before the Supreme Court decision. I believe however that there was also a fifth option, and in my opinion that is the option Hobby Lobby would have chosen had the vote gone the other way. That option was to close their business.

Ben Gross
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Race

Isn't it a shame that in the United States one would even have to decide if to reveal what they believe to be their racial heritage is harmful or not? Maybe we all should have DNA results placed on our drivers license. That way our 'race' would be properly identified. Thanks 'one trick horses' for making it clear that this is important to you. Moe, Garvin, Earl E and other illustrious contributors, from my personal experience of 10+ years in FC, you are an irrelevant minority. Bringing your racial ignorance to the attention of others will continue. . . . so that those not aware that this ignorance/erroneous thinking still exists understand why there are those who will continue to expose it. Fayetteville and PTC are role models of the 'new south' in the area of race relations. Evidently 'Utopia' is not here - but progress has been made since the '60's. Thanks neighbors!

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Alice Sharpton

You and danz are the only ones that bring race into these discussions. Your self-loathing and inferiority complex is quite revealing about how screwed up in the head you are.

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Taxpayers and businesses should not be forced to pay for it

The quiffs and strumpets should pay for their own birth control. It is not a health issue. Some tart sold this bill of goods to bedwetting liberals like yourself and of course the libs in Washington lapped it up with a spoon.

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Just go away

you are an embarrassment. The same Liz who claimed she was Native American when she applied to UPenn and Harvard to teach and still is unable to produce any proof of such to this day. That video has so much wrong in what she said, Pelosi must be green with envy, wishing she had come up with it.

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Ben Gross
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I believe however that there was also a fifth option, and in my opinion that is the option Hobby Lobby would have chosen had the vote gone the other way. That option was to close their business.

Shades of the 60's. (Refusing to hire or serve 'blacks'.) The color of business is 'green' - and after the many boycotts - businesses stayed open and some even thrived. Thank you for sharing your opinion Mr. Gross.

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The one trick pony!

While I do agree with you in general, I also do believe that there are still some that would close their doors if they were forced to choose between their beliefs and money. We don't need more unemployment. I also think that it's disingenuous of you to compare this religious stance to refusing to serve blacks. The two issues aren't even close in my book. But then you are a one trick pony huh?

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Close their doors?

The last business person I know of who actually closed a thriving business because the law forced him to "compromise his beliefs" was indeed Lester Maddox who immediately closed his fried chicken restaurant rather than serve African Americans as the new civil rights law required.

Because beliefs are deeply held does not in any way make them moral or ethical.

Maddox, after having run unsuccessfully for Mayor of Atlanta and Lt. Governor went on to become governor in 1967 thanks to his new notoriety and the state's flawed constitution.

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Lester!!! LOL

And you're probably not aware of any companies that have moved out of this country, or at least moved jobs, because of government restrictions either? I'm sure in your world none have done that since Lester Maddox!!! I bet you think that Lester secretly started that failing business Chick-Fil-A with his left over chicken.

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Yeah, much to LOL about

Sure, some of the biggest companies in America built manufacturing facilities just south of the US/Mexico border after the passage of NAFTA.

They shut down factories in places like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio that were paying workers a living wage and put a lot of people out of work and opened up in Mexivo where they:

• Paid workers a fraction of what the American workers were paid;

• Often provided no benefits at all;

• Escaped oversight by OSHA so employees had to work under conditions that would be illegal in the US;

• Escaped oversight by the EPA so they were free to pollute.

By the way, this is also a great counterpoint to contemporary conservatives who say labor unions are no longer needed as they might have been in the 1930’s because today’s “enlightened” corporate leadership cares about their workers well being.

These are some of the biggest companies in America and they’re running manufacturing facilities in Mexico and elsewhere in the developing world by nineteenth century standards.

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Our Republican Governor,

Our Republican Governor, Nathan 'Big' Deal wants to widen the channels to our ports so he can ship more American jobs overseas. If Mitt Romney was elected President, America would have become a third world nation with a really nice commercial banking system to serve the will of plutocrats.

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Really Gort???
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Ahh, you got me! So you're

Ahh, you got me! So you're telling me, 'it's a good thing' President Obama signed into law, H.R. 3080: The Water Resources Reform & Development Act of 2014?

http://transportation.house.gov/wrrda/

Well how about that, President Obama doing his part to create jobs for the people of Georgia! Funny how he never gets credit for anything around here on 'The Citizen,' eh?

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Gort & HR 3080

Gort,the proper verb is "deepen", NOT "widen"--and just how many bills eventually passed by the Dem controlled Senate has he vetoed? Do you not have an inkling of an idea about how much economic impact the port of Savannah has on Georgia or what a deeper channel will mean?

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AHG - and your point?
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and just how many bills eventually passed by the Dem controlled Senate has he vetoed?

2
See below.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/ObamaBH.htm

Thanks

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You thinking making the Savannah Port smaller

Is good for Georgia? Is this a joke?

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If they did want to fill in

If they did want to fill in the channel at the port, they can use the dirt they dredge from the bottom of Lake Peachtree, eh?

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Earl E Bird

Fortunately, your book is obsolete- you're a little late 'Earl E'. Thanks for sharing! LOL!

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The name is Sharpton, Alice Sharpton

And yes, sh is one trick pony, just like her brother Al.

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Hobby Lobby Fallout (New)

I posted several comments on the Hobby Lobby case and my fears of the ramifications it could have.

The link below to an article from the LA Times shows that my fears were not unfounded.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-lgbts-from-work-2014071...

This article also illustrates why the percentage of "nones" in the population is steadily rising and young people are walking away from organized religion in droves. I predict that in 15 to 20 years we will be much more like western Europe, with an average Sunday church attendance of 2-5% and it will be a change for the better.

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It ain't about Sunday

Anybody that is focused on one hour of one day of the week as an example of being "in" with God are about as lost as a blind person in a shootout.

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Predictions?
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This article also illustrates why the percentage of "nones" in the population is steadily rising and young people are walking away from organized religion in droves. I predict that in 15 to 20 years we will be much more like western Europe, with an average Sunday church attendance of 2-5% and it will be a change for the better.

This prediction is brought to you by someone that stated out here that Chick-Fil-A had lost market share because of it's recent controversy. LMAO

May Hobby Lobby suffer this much!!!!!
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/biz-beat/2014/jul/16/analyst-chick-fil-may-be...

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Mr. Chic-fil-A

I admire this Fayetteville citizen who stands for and demonstrates his beliefs - but serves and hires individuals based on their skill - not their religious beliefs. All are served with respect and courtesy in his establishments throughout our country. His employees are not bound by his personal beliefs except to express the Christ in their dealings with others (and not work on the Lord's day). The Hobby Lobby fallout will be big. If they close, there are other business organizations who will fill the gap. They will do what their beliefs and bottom line directs. It's just business.