‘Insanity’? Learnard does the same thing

I am disappointed with Peachtree City Council member Kim Learnard’s behavior in the newspaper as of lately.

As a council member, she could do much to change the negative perception of the persistent fighting in Peachtree City. Instead, she has chosen to once again throw gasoline on the fire.

Using the term “insanity” was not a wise choice of words to use when discussing the county Board of Commissioners’ appeal of a lawsuit.

It is her right to disagree. As a conservative Republican council member, I disagreed with Kim on many occasions. I never once called her insane.

Council member Learnard could have just said that she disagrees with the county commission’s opinion. I cannot imagine she would appreciate anyone calling her “insane” in the newspapers.

I’m also wondering what council member Learnard’s motivation was on bashing Chairman Steve Brown for demanding accountability from the Development Authority? Does she oppose government accountability?

Wasn’t this, in fact, one of the very same issues that caused council member Learnard to spearhead the push to disband the Development Authority of Peachtree City?

I certainly don’t want to see more tabloid government in Peachtree City. We had enough of that with Logsdon vs. Haddix and the taxpayers paying the bill.

It would be nice if council member Learnard and her fellow council members concentrated more on effectively running their own government, rather than trying to micromanage the county, a jurisdiction where they have no authority.

The Board of Commissioners seems to be doing a good job on their own of handling the county business.

The rumor is that Peachtree City is going to put a member of the City Council as the new county development authority member from the city. I would conjecture that council is doing this to insure they have accountability from the development authority.

Wasn’t that the same thing council member Learnard was criticizing Chairman Steve Brown for doing?

George Dienhart
Peachtree City, Ga.

[Dienhart is a former councilman who was defeated in a race for mayor last fall.]

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Dienhart and Smithfield were right

Learnard is being very hypocritical.

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Mrs. Learned does the same

Mr Forshee pulls off the deal of the century without a whisper to FCBOE and Mrs. Learned goes on a rampage claiming Steve Brown is insane? I have to differ with Mrs. Learned on this one! The FC Development Authority without consulting the FCBOE or Fayette County Commissioner granting a "20 Year Tax Abatement" is 'Insane!" I am thankful that Steve Brown spoke out and educated the public on "2012 TSPLOST Bailout for Marta" the water department issues . As for “Citizen Boards” like a baby needs to be changed often! That goes for Development Authority, ARC Region 10 Citizen Board etc….. "20 Year Tax Abatement Is A Whole Generation"
Thank you FC Commissioners & Chairman Steve Brown for a job well done

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Mrs. Learned does the same

Mr Forshee pulls off the deal of the century without a whisper to FCBOE and Mrs. Learned goes on a rampage claiming Steve Brown is insane? I have to differ with Mrs. Learned on this one! The FC Development Authority without consulting the FCBOE or Fayette County Commissioner granting a "20 Year Tax Abatement" is 'Insane!" I am thankful that Steve Brown spoke out and educated the public on "2012 TSPLOST Bailout for Marta" the water department issues . As for “Citizen Boards” like a baby needs to be changed often! That goes for Development Authority, ARC Region 10 Citizen Board etc….. "20 Year Tax Abatement Is A Whole Generation"
Thank you FC Commissioners & Chairman Steve Brown for a job well done

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NUK, Thanks so much

Even though we don't agree on everything that is said on these blogs, I greatly appreciate the fact that we can converse without calling each other names and without the ugly dialogue.

Thank you for understanding where a lot of us are coming from. If we could all be understanding of each other, we could learn and accomplish a whole lot more than we do.

Also, thank you for giving credit where it is deserved. It is the mark of good character when someone gives credit even though they don't agree with all points.

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rwm Logsdon voter edited

Offensive and I, too, thank you Cal Beverly.

Did you email it to your 1,000 voter friends (your words) that you wrote of in an earlier post a few days ago (before you deleted it) so you could share a chuckle about teen girls being kidnapped and sold?

One thing is for certain Robert W. Morgan-how you react or respond to your edit. It will tell us a lot about your character. (your words, again)

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From "Insanity" to "Deleted"--- Kimmy

From "Insanity" to "Deleted"--- Kimmy you are a sinking ship.

Yeah, it was Morgan (@3! hole) that got deleted but you 2 are part of the same negative crap that we are sick of. It was 4-1 and you got rid of the 1 with 2 new councilmembers. What happens? Professionalism? Accord? No way---
you have to look around for someone else to tear down. Funny ain't it how the 2 new guys are learning the position and keeping their mouths shut. Frankly, Mayor Fleisch is diplomatic compared to Learnard. Did I vote for Brown? No. I think that commission race is a running of the mutts. I will probably write someone in.

Yours is exactly the kind of crap that motivates young voters to not even bother voting and adults from bothering to run (look at the 3 Mayors).

Good job Kimmy--- big disappointment.

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RWM's very offensive comment {{{{{{{EDITED}}}}}

Thank you, Cal Beverly, for editing what I consider to be the most offensive comment to date.

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Freedom of Speech vs. Offensiveness

Thank you Mr. Beverly. Your understanding is appreciated.

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OK, got it now. Deleted because of content - sorry folks

I was making a point about how Steve Brown was blamed for everything and I chose an inappropriate subject. Thought it was good parody, but sometimes I miss the mark.

If it helps I will vote for Steve Brown to serve penance, even though I think he is bad for PTC - and he is going to be PTC's rep on county commission.

I really did not mean any disrespect. I am sensitive to the situation with the kidnapped women and would do anything I could to save them.

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Deleted - RWM

Because there are some things that aren't open to humor, the war on women by Islamic terrorists is one of them. The fact is, this sad event highlights what kind of enemy we are up against, if they are successful, the thoughts and words you write could end up deleting you.

Last month, the same group that took these poor girls, massacred 50 school boys because they were in "western" school.

Not the least bit humorous.

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After reading the Citizen

After reading the Citizen Article written on April 23, 2014 on critical remarks made by Peachtree City Councilwoman Kim Learnard, I wanted the facts to be told. However, people kept saying don’t respond, people will just make you look bad, so I didn’t respond...Until George Dienhart brought it back up again...

In addition to the Citizen article April 23rd, the week or so before, Councilwoman Learnard wrote the letter to the Citizen inferring the Board of Commissioners was insane for appealing a lawsuit that Mr Dienhart speaks about. What I don’t understand is why Councilwoman Learnard didn’t take the time to contact any of the commissioners to inquire about the appeal?

Having attended County Commission Meetings for years, I’ve had the opportunity to watch how different boards work. If you attend a board meeting, and get to know the County Commissioners,
you’ll soon learn that the current County Commission Board really cares about the citizens of Fayette County. People are saying good things about the board and their efforts to try to bring the county together. Am I biased? Of course I am!

Because I actually attend the meetings, I wanted the public to read the transcript of what Chairman Brown said at the meeting after Learnard’s letter was printed. Here’s what was said: “I would like to say, for the record, you know, Councilwoman Learnard put a letter in the paper and I’ve gotten comments on it.”

Brown continued, “And she said that we are insane and that what we are doing is insanity with the lawsuit, the district voting lawsuit. And, you know, I wish she hadn’t said that. And, I wish she had come and talked to us, if she wanted to know what our rationale was. I wish she would
have come and spoken to us and we would have been glad to tell her. But, she didn’t come to any of us on the Board, and I don’t think she went to anyone at the Board of Education. But, you know, there are some good legitimate reasons why we are pursuing this.”

Brown concludes, “We’ve worked hard as a Board of Commissioners to avoid divisiveness with the municipalities. And, I want to assure our friends in our cities and towns that we have, you know, we take her letter for what it is, and we appreciate her comments and fight for her right to make her
comments. We just wish she would have asked us first. So, we always look forward to working with the municipalities, and anyone who wants any comments related to that lawsuit, feel free to ask us and
we will be glad to give you our opinions.”

Chairman Brown wants harmony in the county. If people only read and believe articles and letters written by Kim Learnard, they don’t know the full truth.

At a City Council meeting in Peachtree City, it was said that Councilwoman Learnard started verbally attacking Chairman Brown, who wasn’t present, about the situation with the Fayette County Development Authority. I’m wondering why Councilwoman Learnard took this approach. It’s like she is trying to humiliate the commissioners for doing the right thing.
Steve Brown does his homework and does his job.

And before the comments start, this letter is from Denise Ognio, not Randy Ognio. Although, Randy did approve this message!

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Sitting Commissioner Endorses Candidate = Recipe for Awkwardness

To see, hear and read that the Ognio family publicly endorses one candidate over others certainly seems to this reader to be extremely awkward. You can certainly have an opinion, and share it with those who may ask you, but to publicly endorse in a newspaper and actively use your vehicle to promote one candidate over another just strikes of unprofessional behavior and small town politics.

The deluge of "Steve Brown's Love Songs" by other posters on this site also strikes of a coordinated effort from a master manipulator.

I have some concerns with how much the tea party express get-along gang drinks the kool-aid here...perceived agendas and special interests certainly abound here.

Taking the high road on Learnard's comments would have been to simply ignore them, but let it never be said that an opportunity for press shouldn't be taken advantage of, especially in an election year!

As for me, I'll choose the option I fear the least.

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I agree with you Denise

Thank you Denise. This is why we vote for Steve Brown:

Brown concludes, “We’ve worked hard as a Board of Commissioners to avoid divisiveness with the municipalities. And, I want to assure our friends in our cities and towns that we have, you know, we take her letter for what it is, and we appreciate her comments and fight for her right to make her
comments. We just wish she would have asked us first. So, we always look forward to working with the municipalities, and anyone who wants any comments related to that lawsuit, feel free to ask us and
we will be glad to give you our opinions.”

He's doing a great job and he protects all of us. He even protects the people who bash him like Kim Learnard!!!

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Good show, Mrs. O!

A lot of folks don't exercise their freedom of speech rights because they just can't be bothered.

What a shame.

Then, a lot of folks don't say what they feel for fear of being ridiculed. That is also a shame.

Commissioners Brown and Ognio have said that if Ms. Learnard would have just asked them about the district voting suit, they would have been happy to answer her questions or anyone else's questions. But neither the BOC nor the BOE had any way of knowing that Ms. Learnard had questions or misgivings since she didn't ask them any questions about the suit.

Our current commissioners have seen to it that each citizen who approaches them with questions or statements are treated with the utmost respect, and they are given ample time to voice their concerns.

I am very grateful to have people like that in office in Fayette County.

Even here, in the blogs, a lot of us have received demoralizing comments. We have been called names. We've asked those folks to stop. We've responded to their ugly comments in a respectful manner.

If it were not for "freedom of speech" the people handing out the ugly comments here would not be allowed to spew their hateful remarks.

Yep, everything has consequences, even freedom of speech. Some of us might not like what others say, but we certainly should be able to conduct ourselves in a respectful manner.

I am convinced that the negative bloggers were so desperate, they shot Mr. Brown too many times in the last election. Just too obvious. The way they are going now, he's a shoo-in.

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Stop with the inane "freedom of speech" stuff already

You have no idea what it even means. Seriously.

First off, this is The Citizen. It is owned by Cal Beverly. It is NOT owned or controlled by the government. Cal can delete any post he doesn't like for whatever reason he feels like or just because he feels like being a big 'ol meanie. Do you understand that? It has zero to do with the 1st Amendment or anything like freedom of speech. There is NO freedom of speech "right" here.

Did Brown have an e-mail blast out to his followers recently to emphasize "freedom of speech" because I noticed that we now have several unknowns sprouting of nowhere, all clamoring for "freedom of speech" and also having no idea what it means, besides rambling on and on and on at a meeting saying the same thing the speaker before you, the speaker before them, the speaker before that speaker before.......yeah, that's what the 1st Amendment is all about!

You people totally cheapen the 1st Amendment when you have no historical or even basic common-sense knowledge about what it means and what it sure doesn't.

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NUK, Please explain

your understanding of "freedom of speech." Since you have said that I/we "have no idea what it means. Seriously," please enlighten us with how we have cheapened the 1st Amendment."

To answer your question concerning an "email blast" from Steve Brown emphasizing "freedom of speech," the answer is NO. I did not receive one of those.

A lot of supporters of Steve Brown remember very vividly the treatment we received with regard to "Public Comments" at commission meetings under the chairmanship of Jack Smith and Herb Frady. When someone is denied the right to respectfully speak during a portion of a public meeting that has been set aside for "Public Comments," they remember that treatment.

I absolutely do understand that Cal Beverly can and does delete offensive posts in his position as editor. I respect his power to do that. Others here respect his power to do that. If someone told me to leave their home, I would respect their right to do that and leave. Cal has refrained from editing/deleting many comments where folks were called names. Since 2008 when I joined this forum, I honestly can't remember a single time when someone's comment was deleted.

While calling someone a name is offensive to a particular individual or even a group, blatantly offensive comments with reference to human rights issues go far beyond individual name calling, in my opinion.

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Ginga

Cal doesn't "have" to allow any comments here at all...it's a private business he owns and the only reason any of us to get say anything is by his decision, rude, offensive, or not.

1St Amendment protects us from governmental interference/retaliation in our right to exercise free speech. Now, I have never interpreted that to mean(and neither do most, especially the court system) people can talk for hours or even a few minutes at governmental meetings. That's really not a 1st Amendment issue. It could be an "open government" issue as a lot of you Brown supporters claim, but to me, it just makes meetings drag on forever and has nothing to with the US Constitution.

Look, I know you were badly disrespected in a public meeting by the arrogance of the past FC Commission in a way that was inexcusable and I'm glad those clowns lost because they deserved to. That was disgusting. I definitely understand that you'll embrace all those who came after that actually don't treat people the way you were.

You and I will have to disagree on Brown being the answer going forward.

I will give you this: he's done better as FC Commissioner than he ever did as Mayor of PTC. I also supported most of the current FC Commission with the exception of Barlow before the past election. Things are heading forward, but I still am not a Brown fan at all.

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Well said

One of the better posts I have read on here lately.

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NUK, I did hit the reply button under your post

I really don't know what happened, but I did hit the "reply" button under your post. How my reply jumped to the top, I will never know. I think it is something that happens when I "login."

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Their inane ramblings remind me of Gomer Pyle hollering

"Citizens Arrest!!...Citizens Arrest!!" not sure why that came to mind.

Anyways I did my part and voted against Brown and Haddix today.

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Remember, any publicity is good publicity, right?

Sure seems odd that every election, something happens to Steve's signs...and Steve seems to get press about it. Hmmm....

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The ISSUE-LITE Logsdon campaign supporters

The Logsdon crew is just exhausted for ideas. Logsdon did almost nothing but irritate people as mayor while doing a bunch of self serving things for his personal benefit.

The four or five hate bloggers that support Logsdon can only say stupid things (see posts below) and throw names at Steve Brown. They have nothing to say about Logsdon because he's basically an empty suit.

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Spyglass

Someone needs to find a candidate who can talk about issues and doesn't send postcards for a county commissioner race saying "Harold Logsdon for Peachtree City Mayor" on it.

Now that's certainly funny except for people might actually vote for the guy.

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So in your mind, one candidate is perfect

and the other two are not?

I get it....

Do you even have a vote in the 3rd district?

Do you know how to reply to a post or does Steve and his alter egos always reply in this way? You realize you are talking to yourself here, do you not?

I cannot believe that all of SB's supporters are this dense about how this works.

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He lives in the District - maybe

He gets to vote in District 3 if he lives in Planterra with Steve Brown's family (I favor this theory)

OR
He lives in unincorporated Fayette County and is just an uninvolved rabble-rouser. That was his previous cover story.

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I think #1 is probably right..

Obviously someone is pulling his strings.

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Someone

Needs to find a sense of humor.

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upanatom - AND God forbid

God forgive you if you should ask a relevant question, you are actually called "mean" by the candidate. ;-)

I suppose there are times when the written word can be misunderstood.

Mr. Brown was out there waving today, I waved back!

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I hear Steve Brown buys all unsold Girl Scout Cookies

And donates them to food shelters.

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That monster

Doesn't he know they need fruits and veggies?

In fact, commission should issue a proclamation naming February a month of fruits and veggies in the county. That will stop him in his tracks. Lol

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I hear Steve Brown was so mean........

he shot a man just for snorin'

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I hear Steve Brown is [[[[[EDITED}}}}}}

That was a foolish thing to say. Just let us district 3 denizens take care of business.

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Sorry Denise....you left something out

That would be how Steve Brown(yes, your hero) called about everyone against district voting to be nothing short of illiterate bigots/racists/whatevertermisnowcool. Did you happen to forget that? He was so proud of that letter...until he got demolished by Logsdon and then Ramsey. I guess he had a come to Jesus meeting on how he'd never get elected again as long as he was NAACP Man of The Year and in favor of district voting, which he now is about to very painfully deal with.

You also don't live in District 3 like most Brownies. Enjoy defeat coming soon to a district not so near you as Brown got exactly what he screeched about about and now has to deal with it.

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George Dienhart

Thank you so much for an insider's point of view!

I'm sure your insight will help a lot of voters who might not have made their voting choice in the Fayette commission race.

Thank you for having the courage to speak your mind!