Haddix gone but Ms. Learnard quarrels on

For the life of me, I can’t understand why the City Council of Peachtree City has turned into the epicenter of fighting and negativity.

[Council members] Kim Learnard and Vanessa Fleisch fought with former Mayor Haddix over and over again for four years. Don Haddix is gone and everyone thought that if we just got rid of him it would all go away; yet the fighting continues!

I’m not sure why Kim feels that hurling insults at the Fayette County Commission is a good idea, but I wish someone would tell her that she is making us look bad AGAIN around the metro region.

If she wants to keep the hot streak going on landing new businesses and jobs, she needs to reconsider her approach.

2013 was a year of harmony between the county government and cities, and look at the opportunities that came knocking at our door. The county commissioners have done a good job in turning things around by stopping the battles between the county and cities.

I have a high regard for Kim Learnard, but on this matter I think she has gone off the reservation.

We have had four years of the worst possible infighting between council members and the former mayor. Enough already! Let’s try to be civil and get along.

Jim Richter
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Pinewood dug out by...VOLVO!

Who you gonna call to move those big piles of dirt in Fayette County?

So much for hiring the local shovels, Sany. Well, not really, I guess.

Who could make this stuff up? Let's see. Logdson, Perdue, Jack and cracker Jack bring them here and then what? Jobs, jobs, jobs!

http://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-27904-volvo-supports-pinew...

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moelarrycurly: Learnard's next rant

She is going to claim that Don Haddix used to come to meetings part drunk. There will be a foolish lawsuit filed and the taxpayers will pay $30,000 to settle the matter. The County Board of Commissioners will blamed for the whole mess because they were breathing when she made the original comment.

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johenry: past and future

I think she has moved on. Might be another part drunker though. Stay tuned.

What is so funny (strange funny, not haha funny) is if Harry is the bomb, then why so much angst on here for him? This select few are so insecure about his experience, his knowledge, his background, his foreground and every other conceivable ground, then the old saying, "Me thinks thou doth protect too much", or something along those lines, is in order here.

I will say this.

One is about 20 years or more younger than the other. Look at this county going forward. Do you think a soon-to-be septugenarian should be running this county? Didn't we just have that with Herb Frady? Or do you want someone younger, and has taken this county forward in the last year with the help and cooperation of the other BOC members?

How old were Joel Cowan and Floy Farr when they did their great deeds in and for this county? Two exceptional men. I heard Joel Cowan himself almost 2 years ago say to a room full of residents (paraphrasing, but I will never forget the message). It's your turn now. You need to create your future, not me. You need to plan what you want going forward. How powerful is that coming from him to those who live here?

There comes a time when men need to realize the future is for those younger than them and hand the future over to them. Yes, mistakes will be made by those younger, by gosh, that is all part of it. The elders will always be here to correct and guide from behind. I feel that Harry Logsdon's time in politics has come and gone. It was not remarkable, he is not a forward thinker and he can continue to serve this county in other ways, if he chooses.

Steve Brown knows this city. He knows this county. He has led both. Harry Logsdon has not. If this county were in terrible shape after the first year of Steve Brown's leadership, then I would say, vote him out, time to go. Get Harry Logsdon in to replace him and see what he can do. That is just not the case.

Peachtree City has a mayor, council and management who seem to be on the same page. Good or bad, they are firmly in control of this city. That is not going to change with either candidate. I say look to the future in considering our politicians, not the other way around. I would encourage our mayor and council to realize the future will entail working with other politicians who are younger than themselves. Get used to it.

Agida is a condition that is not contagious, for those who read this and are contracting it right now. Walk away from what I wrote, and come back and read it again later. Just consider it.

I am in the age range where I am beginning to realize the future of greatness in the leaders of this county lies not with my generation or those older, but with then next and younger. My bet is that those few tripping over themselves here are the the former, not the latter. Except one, who maybe trips no matter what age.

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That was a very astute analysis, moe

Joel's words are certainly true although very few young people have taken on the responsibility to lead and contribute. Prbobably a generational thing. To answer your question, Joel was 22 or 23 in 1959 and Floy was about 40. That is young.

I think your premise that the older folks should back off at some point and mentor and guide the younger ones is valid it certainly worked in the past - and Mr. Cowan and Mr. Farr certainly took their mentoring role to an art form.

Sadly, the lack of respect for history, institutional memory and contributions of the older generation started in the Brown era and the harm to the city was in many areas, but your premise of guiding and mentoring was the first casualty. Fred Brown and Doug Warner soldiered on as mentors to Matt Ramsey and others, but they were the exception - many others backed away.

Clearly Logsdon and Brown are not going to be major players in the reincarnation of the generational mentoring program, but hopefully enough younger people will come forward and get involved in the system without dissing their elders. I see Josh Bloom, Todd Strickland, Scott Rowland as part of that group. Not thrilled that they view Brown as the wise old man of Fayette politics, but maybe i'm biased and I need to sacrifice my personal feelings in order to bring back the civilized old days of respecting elders.

It will be part of my analysis of political candidates to weigh their willingness to accept advice from those older and more experienced vs. the know it alls who slash and burn their way to power by dissing incumbents.

Good thoughts, moe.

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Learnard one week

Has it been about a week since she has had a rant going? Must be about time for the next one.

I hope she comes to the FC BOC meeting tomorrow and does her realtor mayor speech before them. This one can be about the land use plan for Hwy 74 South that is on the agenda.

She can also do her mandatory biting commentary from her council meetings and repeat her FCDA speech as the outgoing members are honored by the BOC.

Would be great if Harry Logsdson, Kracker Jack and Jack (I'm gonna wear this flag tie till I die) Smith all showed up with the 3rd (or is it 4th) chairman of Sany, too, to thank the outgoing DA board for all the tax incentives they were given, which are as a result of the heroic, selfless efforts of the above mentioned to travel half way around the world (on our dime) to bring them here. Jobs, jobs, jobs.

To quote Harry's ad right here on this site, "Economic Development, including creating more employment opportunities that attract and retain young professionals".

Classic. Can't wait.

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Questions for Ms. Learnard

1. How many Fayette County residents have been hired at Sany?
2. How many employees at Sany have been brought in from out-of-state?
3. How many Sany employees live in Fayette County
4. What is the average pay for Fayette County residents who worked at Sany?
5. Has Sany done anything to give back to the community?

Without taking into account the construction

A. How many local residents have been hired at Pinewood?
B. how many out-of-town people have been hired by Pinewood?
C. How many locals are projected to be employed at Pinewood full time once they start productions?
D. How many out-of-town people are projected to be hired at Pinewood when they start production?
E. What percentage of all jobs will be part-time or temporary?
F. Pinewood has gotten a lot of freebies. Have they learned from Mr. Cathy that it's always a good idea to give back to the community? Have they done anything to give back to the community or do they just take?

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Haddix gone but Ms Learnard quarrels on

I think the bottom line is some people evidently can't really be happy if they don't have someone to "pick on". Is that a form of "bullying" that we don't wish to constantly expose our CHILDREN? I would think so! Now, why can't the citizens of Peachtree City just get along and work in harmony? You get more accomplished by being civil and agree reasonably to disagree, right? Well, transparent government that has been greatly enhanced in Fayette County under the leadership of Steve Brown and the other four members of the class of 2010 and 2012 has been a refreshing breathe of fresh air compared to what we had before. Let's work together in Peachtree City, the newly gerrymandered District 3 and lead Fayette County and Peachtree City to a more prosperous, productive and efficient, effective and pleasant place to live out our lives and rear our families. Your family, Your future, YOUR FAYETTE.

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Its amazing that Fayette County has Running water...

from having to deal with the likes of half you people on here.

You want jobs, but you don't want to do the things(abatements and such)that bring the companies here to provide the jobs.

First off the landowners in Fayette seem to think their property is made from GOLD, hence the exorbitant prices they try to charge for it. If I were a company looking for a place to locate I surely would either look for cheaper land elsewhere or look for a way to offset some of the cost (maybe abatement).

Then there are the commercial/retail developments that don't realize where they are either. I don't know how many people I know that would love to set up shop in Fayette County, but the monthly leases are WAY too high.

Us folks in Fayette County need to stop living in the past, we're not head and shoulders above Clayton, Coweta, Henry and Spalding counties anymore. We are above average, but some of those around us are quickly closing the gap. Its time to wake up and atleast consider some new ideas and stop fighting to keep the status quo.

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Sany has learned to phony up

numbers just like everyone else by now to make their quota, if they have learned anything while here.

With the numbers provided, the now former FCDA crowd can be so proud, and Logsdon can boast in his campaign ads (funny, haven't seen this Sany deal in them, no wonder), of contributing to the fact that China is poised to overtake the US as the world's number one economy for the first time in history. Where is that little nugget on all those ads in The Citizen? Must have missed them.

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So you think we would be better off without Sany here?

I think it is a win, but it may take them a while to gain a foothold.

More info here.

http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/06/17/sany-construction-china/

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Sany

It appears that they have met the employee quota and according to the article had about 150 people working at the PTC facility last year.

Sounds like their main problem right now is signing on dealerships to sell the products, refuting the notion that chinese products are bad, and fending off the lawsuit for hiring from the competition.

If Sany can teach my how to operate each piece of equipment and provide training on maintenance, I will work a deal with them to open sales offices throughout the country.

I wonder if they give tours of the facility. I think I would enjoy seeing the inside.

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Richter - How Ironic

Jim Richter, one of the mainstays of the tea baggers here in Fayette County, complains about someone else quarreling. How ironic that a man who identifies himself with the most uncompromising and quarrelsome political group in the nation projects this trait onto another.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

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Mike King???

Can anyone verify that Mike King is going to be the Peachtree City person on the development authority???

That's hilarious!!! Kim Learnard is always "in the know" about what the development authority is doing but she has to sneak Mike King in there so she will really know. What a show of no confidence!!!

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New FCDA rep. from PTC

is going to be Mike King....yes folks, Mike King. Mr. selfie blogger himself.

With all the hooey from Kim Learnard about how she knew SO much about the FCDA goings on and no one else did except the realtor mayor, then why isn't Kimmy stepping up to this plate? What, she has another project she is working on that is more important than development in this county?

Think about it. What possible reason, about a month out from an election.

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Mike too

Mike King has a razor sharp tongue and partnered with Kim Learnard they should be lighting the fireworks all year long in Peachtree City!!!

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johenry

Now that is funny. I think there is another joke in there...somewhere...

There seems to be a case of mrobinsonovirus going around on here..24-48 hour duration and hopefully, it passes.

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moelarrycurly

I was trying to find Steve Brown's web site by using google and I came across a lot of the old 2010 stories on the county commission race. It's so funny how the few rotten mean bloggers were spewing hate back then too.

My granddaughter says they are internet trolls. Look at this she sent me http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/in...

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You found the Slate piece while looking for brown's website?

Google does a better job of searching and matching than I thought. The Slate article contains an almost perfect (albeit an extreme) description of Brown. Read about the Dark Tetrad:

".......Dark Tetrad: Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and self-obsession), psychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and sadism (pleasure in the suffering of others)"

Thanks johenry for the insight.

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jo-granddaughter

She is one smart girl. I am sure AHG and nukie would agree with us, too (see below).

Me, I am going out on the golf course tomorrow and have me a few martoonis a la cart. No golfing, just a few when I find the martooni cart. Then I will sashay (or is that shashay) on back home to join everyone on here again.

Then, Cinco de Mayo, I will be having a tequila taco or two with multiple electric margaritas. I will then be in a troll-free zone for a few days...and nights.

Spy will be in a zone, too, and won't even have to leave his house.

Cy, where are you? What zone are you in, buddy? Did you make it back to a week of fun in the sun?

Jo, when I got my new voter registration card in the mail yesterday, I had an epiphany. Or was it a tiffany? No matter. We have, potentially, close to 5 more elections in this county in the next 8 months.

I am thinking a few things here.

Tom Sawyer (his folks sure had a sense of humor, didn't they?)and staff need raises. Big ones. The funding should come from the treasury of the NAACP Fayette.

We need permanent voter buildings, not this school gym stuff anymore. Every district should have a craftsman style hut with VOTE HERE in orange neon lighting flashing over the front door. Maybe a drive thru on the side of the hut like the wedding chapels in Vegas. These huts will be funded by a tax on all those who moved here from Clayton and Fulton counties in the last 5 years. It will be called the C (see) & F-U tax.

Those who take the time to use their privilege to vote will automatically be entered into a raffle where the grand prize will be a week on an island in the Caribbean with 10 friends of your choosing. Transportation to and from will be provided by one of those neat-o Chick-fil-A jets at Falcon Field. All other expenses will be paid by Judge Batten out of his judicial misc. expense account. Sound like a plan?

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Hey moe,

Made it back home from SIngapore via Tokyo and Los Angeles.

I'm getting the "box" ready to tow down to the redneck Rivera for a couple of weeks. Someone has got to play with those darn pesky fish.

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Cy-welcome back

I guess it's that time of year again. Those ones you missed last year will be bigger and fatter and maybe a little smarter this year. Just look out for those that have some of that black BP oil stuck to their gills. 60 Minutes had a story tonight about BP and those who fattened their wallets off from BP. Too bad all that wildlife couldn't tell their stories.

I watched a bunch of folks out at Lake Mac today stand on the dock with their poles. Someone forgot to tell them there just isn't anything in there worth catching, I guess.

I hope you bring some whoppers home (stories, that is). Enjoy your downtime and check in here if you have a chance.

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MLC & PTC FCDA Rep

Why don't you try--just once--to be positive? Mike will do PTC Citizens proud--whether they deserve it or not!

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You come live my life and I will tell you why. Till then, unless you are aware of what I am aware of, just stay tuned. Or tune out, if it bothers you that much.

Funny, I don't remember saying anything about him doing PTC citizens proud..or not. Since that is yet to be fact, I think neither one of us is capable of answering that.

Your buddy, pee-in-public parking lots Studdard, has barraged my home with multiple robocalls daily for 3 weeks now. Starting at 8AM, going until 8:40PM, usually 3-4 times a day, 4-6 days a week. And it persists after a phone call requesting for this to stop. Anyone who is that desperate to alienate a potential voter and who cannot or will not honor a request to stop the calls, well, I will differ with you on whether he should be the candidate of choice.

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MLC & Studdard

Not my 'budy'--don't know the man but we too have gotten the calls, including one from someone claiming to be his Mother.

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Moms been busy for a while

She called me the night of the NCAA basketball championship game. Took a lot of self control not to ask he why her boy thinks the world is his restroom. Told her, I would think about it and I declined a yard sign and went back to eating dinner.

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Sure that is really David Studdard's Mom

Jean Studdard has been active in the FC Repub Party for decades now. She also worked for Mac Collins for a while. She's a fixture in FC politics and a really nice lady too.

I know unsolicited calls or robo-calls don't exactly thrill people, but sometimes that's the difference between success and failure these days, right or wrong.

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New PTC Rep on FCDA

I suspect Kim is very involved with that alternative school project she's been working on for the last year or so and maybe she didnt think she had the time to do both. I'm just glad its not Erica. Holy cow!

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Alternative school project

Career school? Didn't you read, the BOC told her she would not get funding from them, it would have to come from the BOE, thus, hissyfits galore toward BOC, as we are now witnessing.

Of course, Erica...hissyfits....yes, holy cow...should be fun budgeting coming up. Although, just take out more debt, that is his contribution. Watch the soothing mantra on how well off we are financially. Then look at the debt in the other article in The Citizen.

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/04-30-2014/ptc-eyes-borrowing-3-milli...

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Does Ms. Learnard realize

the implications a 20 year tax abatement could have on our Fayette budget?

Does she realize that the BOC and BOE are responsible for the budgets that keep our Schools, Fire, Water, and Sheriff's Departments afloat?

When County Administrator Steve Rapson, BOC Chairman Steve Brown, and the BOE asked the FCDA officials about the Pinewood tax break, they were doing the jobs we hired them to do. They were demonstrating leadership qualities.

When the FCDA did not follow up with information that the BOC and BOE had already requested, Ms. Learnard and bloggers seized the opportunity to twist the facts to their own agenda. Those kinds of undermining tactics have run rampant with the good old boy politicians and certain factions within the BOE and the Peachtree City Council for years.

Do they not realize that Fayette taxpayers can see through all of that deception?

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"Let's try to be civil and get along" Is that what you said when you assaulted a woman and tried to knock her down at the IHOP GOP meeting?

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Mr. Richter - One word

One word brings all this back to the reality of the current state of affairs including your letter.

"Politics"

Once the election is over, I suppose some sort of civility will emerge.

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You should not call colleagues insane. An attempt at being professional and agreeing to disagree would have been better.

http://thecitizen.com/articles/04-01-2014/learnard-%E2%80%98stop-insanit...

http://thecitizen.com/articles/04-15-2014/district-voting-rests-lie

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Don't try to reason with ignorance.

Steve, the small band negative bloggers are always going to hate you. There's no need to pay any attention to them. They support Jack Smith and his back door stuff and they'll go for the shady guys.

They love Harold Logsdon because he loves to get the goods from being in government. Mrobinson, Learnard and Robert Morgan and the rest of the nasty bunch have no problem with Logsdon's business partnership with the City Manager when he was mayor!!

They have no problems with Logsdon's luxury trip to China and all meals and other gifts from people who got tax breaks from the government while Logsdon was mayor!!

They negative bloggers love it when Logsdon sues a mayor at taxpayer expense for comments made in an email!! They love it even more when taxpayers have to pay the Logsdon's and Haddix's legal bills!!

This is what the negative bloggers are promoting. Let them keep spewing their hatred of Steve Brown but I doubt seriously anyone is listening to the four or five blogging losers. Peachtree City could burn to the ground and they wouldn't care.

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Luxury Trip to China...Logsdon Lawsuits...and histrionics...

Oh, you mean this trip to China?

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/31410.html

$4,000 spent by PTC on a "junket" to help get Sany into town, contributing almost $400K to property taxes each year on a $21 million dollar Fair Market Value property? I have no problem at all with that.

http://www.fayettecountytaxcomm.com/PropertyTaxBillDetails.aspx?taxYear=...

http://www.fayettecountytaxcomm.com/PropertyTaxBillDetails.aspx?taxYear=...

http://www.fayettecountytaxcomm.com/PropertyTaxBillDetails.aspx?taxYear=...

And, if I implied you were "half-drunk" in official business, and you found out about it, and you were a public figure, wouldn't you think that would be grounds to sue?

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story, though. Jack Smith! Corruption! Developers! Back-room deals! Somebody call the Crusader!

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SANY-Jobs, jobs, jobs!

The handful of (I won't call them workers) people standing around on that piece of land that has been stripped of all vegetation, and their 3rd (or is it 4th) Chairman in the last 2 plus years sure are a big contributor to those jobs, jobs, jobs! Wow, 600 jobs!

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/sany-to-add-300-jobs-at-peachtree-city-...

Did they hit their mark for the tax incentives? Or are/did they lose them for no hires as promised?

Now, let's look at real world Sany.

A secretive jobs grant by PTC....Project Z? Did they meet that? If not, no jobs, jobs, jobs!

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/8483

Google sany and wind turbines and oregon and lawsuit of POTUS. Yes, the POTUS is being sued by......SANY!

Let's not consider the effect on Caterpillar, an AMERICAN company.

Great company SANY, great country, great work by the former governor and Logsdon and Jack Smith (good old Jack) and Jack Krakeel (good old boy cracker Jack...) The 3 stooges trip to China...hmm....sounds like a movie title...

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SANY jobs...

I'm sure you can contact Peachtree City's City Hall to ask them how many employees they reported on their occupational tax reports...I think if you send an email to info@peachtree-city.org they'll be able to get you the answer in a day or two.

Oh wait! Google to the rescue!

http://www.myajc.com/business/incentives-scorecard-2013/

The applicant proposes, and the Georgia Department of Economic Development (GDEcD) recommends, using $900,000 in REBA funds to assist the Fayette County Development Authority ("Authority") in the location of an assembly plant in Peachtree City. Sany America, Inc. ("Sany" or "Company") has committed to create 80 jobs and to make a private investment of $20 million within the first 24 months of operation. The company further commits to create 200 jobs by year five, 350 jobs by year seven, and 600 jobs by year 10, with an investment of $30 million within five years and $50 million by year 10.

Jobs promised in - 80. Jobs delivered - 108.

I think Caterpillar's doing pretty well in GA; didn't they just build a factory near Athens that should be bringing in an estimated 1,400 jobs?

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Who supported Jack Smith here?

I seem to have forgotten all of no one here who supported Smith. Just because they didn't support Brown and thought he did a terrible job in PTC doesn't mean they voted for Smith. I myself wrote-in Bald-Headed Cyclist as did some others.

It has nothing to do with Jack Smith(who I thought was bad) and everything to do with Brown. Logsdon isn't super either, but Haddix is a complete joke, so Blad-Headed Cyclist might be getting my vote this time if I can't hold my nose long enough to vote for Logsdon.

Just like Brown, you play extremely loose with the facts and sometimes drift into the realm of dishonesty.

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I wish Haddix was smart enough to have alter egos on here..

That would be HIGHlarious.

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I miss her.....

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Well spyglass, he is not. No Haddix echos expected

johenry is such an obvious brown dupe with the same 3 talking points attacking Logsdon.
Business with Bernie.
Trade mission to China - brought Sany back.
Lawsuit at taxpayer's expense? Fool.

I can't wait to see that Brown/Haddix/Logsdon ballot. Funny for sure, certainly the end of Brown.

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Sany

I drive by on the way to the ball fields and training center close by and can't tell if they are doing anything. Never even see a piece of equipment being shipped out. How much have they brought in to our tax digest?

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Saw the other week three lo-boy trailers with shiny new Sany machines on 'em heading northbound. They looked nice and expensive!

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That's good

I've never seen any leave. I wonder how many come off the line?

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the Sany website states that it has the "capacity" to do 2,000 units a years...doubt it makes that many

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Steve Brown (3) - The Insanity Monologues...

Insanity isn't an insult if someone thinks it's true :)

If that one word - insanity - starts a "war", one might reasonably consider that the recipient of such a "barrage" probably needs to spend a little more time in "let's not get our collective knickers in a twist" classes.

Insane. One Man Wrecking Crew. The war is on!

I hope that Cal, and the readers, enjoy this back and forth. I should really stop feeding the bears here, but sometimes, I foolishly believe another opinion rather than the tea party express, accompanied with supportable statistics, could lead the responsible voter to pay attention and research for themselves. Insane, I know!

Alas, we're all speaking into a canyon anyway - sure, it sounds louder to me, but in the end it can just make us all look weird and embarrassed to participate in this "insanity".

I wonder if any other "real" elected officials (you know, like the President, members of Congress, the Governors of states) spend their times on blog sites justifying their actions. They would probably have their staffs telling them that's just...insane.

An attempt at being professional might reflect that this strategy would lead to unintended results at election time! Better to not say anything and have others think you insane than remove all doubt, isn't that the old saying?

And, it holds all the more true here...
It's not what you say, it's how you say it.

Oh, and insanity.

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mrobinson_ptc and the other whiners

They just go on like little pre-schoolers. And keep supporting the candidates who harm the taxpayers the most like Jack Smith and Harold Logsdon.

Logsdon was a big Jack Smith supporter when Steve Brown ran against him. They hate Steve Brown because he won't cave in to the special interest guys. It just kills them!!

Sorry you little whiners because Brown is going to win because he actually cares about the taxpayers and proves it!!!

Years ago when no one in the city would help me with a backed up storm drain flooding me it was Steve Brown who came to the help. Bob Lenox wouldn't even meet with me. He'll win because people know this stuff.

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Did he bring a shovel?

...never mind...

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born, I don't think you can

apply the terms "anti-growth, anti-chamber, anti-development" to Steve Brown.

Steve Brown collaborated with the Fayetteville City Council to get the first phase of the Pinewood project built in a record 10 months so that it would meet Pinewood's schedule.

That collaborative effort was so outstanding that the county and city won the 2013 CREATE Award for Regional Prosperity and Economic Development.
(http://www.AtlantaRegional.com/Local-Government/Management--Personnel/Cr...)

Economic development sources have predicted that Pinewood Studios will produce about 3,000 jobs and a possible economic impact of more than $370 million annually.

So, apparently Steve Brown strives to be wisely selective before endorsing growth/development projects.

I'm thankful to have someone with an educated intellect when it comes to growth/development. I don't think any of us wants to see uncontrolled rampant development in Fayette County.
(http:www.thecitizen.com/articles/06-08-2010/thing-about-brown-he%E2%80%99s-most-often-right)

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You funny too, born!

Steve Brown, the other commissioners, and other officials knew about the Pinewood project several months before it became public. Quiet research was done on Pace and others involved in the project.

I've had several discussions with Brown where he voiced the importance of "slow growth" in Fayette County. More than two years ago, he said that in order to maintain quality of life for our citizens along with bringing in jobs and revenue we need the right kind of growth.

Mr. Brown deserves credit, when and where it is due. Just because you and a couple of other folks rely on what you think happened more than 10 years ago has no relationship to the truth of today.

The only "anti-growth, anti-development" you might hear would come from me.

For goodness sake, go to one of the public "meet and greet" meetings! Talk to the man!! Ask him questions as to where he stands on the issues you are interested in!!!

Do the same with Don Haddix and Harold Logsdon. Meeting the candidates and questioning them is the only way anyone can make an educated decision when voting.

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Meeting the candidates, ginga? Believe me, we have met them

We in PTC know all we need to know about those 3 guys. After all, what better way to know someone than to let them serve as mayor for 4 years. Good audition for bigger and better things. Very instructive.

Rate them from top to bottom on the following attributes:

Leadership
Maturity
Absence of lawsuits
Follows the advice of city attorney
Retention senior staff - meaning the effective ones
Lack of cronyism in appointments
Minimal staff turnover
Economic growth beginning during tenure
Respect of staff, county and state officials

You can add other attributes if you want, but it is unlikely the order of best to worst will be any different than:

Logsdon
Brown
Haddix

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Oh please

Brown is extremely anti-everything, except for seniors that he's been a huge advocate for since in his mind "they don't drive much and don't send kids to our schools." How has that moronic ideal worked out for the FC school system that keeps declining enough in enrollment that schools are shuttered and now everyone is trying to attract anything BUT seniors into FC?

You don't live in District 3 for that matter, and let us adults who do decide what to do with Brown who strongly advocated district voting and now will feel the repercussions from it.

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Strength of character, mrobinson

I have talked to Saxby Chambliss, Gov. Deal, and Jason Thompson.

Sure, any candidate can tell voters what they assume the voter wants to hear.

Also, a candidate can avoid personal, one on one, contact with the voters in the hopes that voters will rely on campaign ads, websites, and word of mouth.

Quiet candidates tend to promote "quiet government." Anything can be covered up within a "quiet government." Needless to say, I have little or no respect for officials who brag about their professionalism while hiding behind a "quiet" label.

One of our previous commissioners talked about his professionalism and his "quiet government." After a little digging, it was discovered that he had refrained from addressing many questions voters had about his involvement with the decision, at the ARC level, to route mass transit through Fayette County. When he could no longer avoid the voter's questions concerning his vote on mass transit in Fayette as our ARC representative, he said, "I was just one vote." "I voted in favor of it in case we wanted it later."

That answer told me a whole lot about that commissioners strength of character. That answer was given within a public forum. I am sick of "quiet government!"

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Meeting the candidates...

...is a sure way to know how they smell. Other than that, I'm sure they'll tell you what you want to hear, or not tell you what you don't want to hear.

The only way anyone can make an educated decision when voting means you're more than likely completely uneducated when you vote for anyone outside of Fayette County to represent you - how do you choose them?

Have you met and talked to Barack Obama?
Have you met and talked to Saxby Chambliss?
Have you met and talked to Nathan Deal? Casey Cagle? Brian Kemp? Sam Olens? Jason Thompson? ANY member of the Public Service Commission?

Shall I go on?

What I think happened 10 years ago, lamentably, is what actually happened. I was there for a good bit of it. The truth of today is the same crap that happened back then seems to be happening now with the incumbent.

Since you feel that folks like me come on and just point out the negatives on the incumbent, here's some research to support another claim - Harold Logsdon is the most professional of the slate of candidates up for election, in my opinion.

Here's what he touts as his accomplishments as Mayor:

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/12-22-2009/logsdon-touts-achievements...

And another one I thought of value, from 2007:

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/24179.html

Another of Logsdon’s top priorities this year is convincing the legislature to adopt a point-of-sale sales tax collection system. Some have guessed that Georgia is only collecting 75-80 percent of the sales taxes that it is due, in large part because of inaccurate accounting used by businesses.

If a point-of-sale system is adopted, it could increase tax revenues without an actual tax increase, Logsdon said.

And if the city were to increase its sales tax revenue by 25 percent, that would be an additional $2 million a year for the city, the mayor added.

Also, such a computerized point-of-sale system would allow the city to accurately judge the economic impact of events such as Tour de Georgia and track trends in sales tax collections, Logsdon said.

Logsdon said he hopes the legislature will consider the changes as part of the larger proposals for tax reform this year.

Harold Logsdon beat Steve Brown soundly in 2005. I predict it will happen again, and I trust my fellow District 3 voters will agree that Brown needs to go.

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Quiet Research?

I'm curious as to what that means...

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They must have been in the library researching

...have to keep it quiet in there.

In other words........BS.

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Borntorun and PTC Observer

Just go ask the Pinewood people. That's all you have to do.

Go ask the people who gave us the awards.

Even the VP of Home Depot's store operations said it was the best public-private partnership he had ever seen, and he has seen a lot of them.

You can keep feeding everyone the mean comments and name calling and, generally, people see you for the bullies you are.

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Team Player

As most sports figures would tell you; most military units small or large would tell you; or small or large governments would tell you, there is no I in team. So, as a citizen of Fayette County, GA and a concerned voter, this citizen is focused on the team of commissioners and the one "chairperson" of those commissioners and the purpose that the team of commissioners exist. That purpose is a limited, efficient, effective government of the county working in harmony with the various municipalities in the citizen FOR ALL THE CITIZENS of the county, not just one district gerrymandered by a FEDERAL DISTRICT JUDGE. An effective leader will do all he/she can do to research the issues of his/her county, study the issues, ask the county officers and administrators for input and then in concert with his/her team debate the subject out in the open and transparent to all and no matter how many hours it takes LISTEN to the county constitutents in open session. Steve Brown has brought that leadership to his team as Chairman of the Commission. I believe the citizens of Fayette County appreciate that leadership of a TEAM on the Board of Commissioners.

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Great Idea, Stevie

Provide us the name(s) and phone number(s) of the Pinewood people you claim would vouch for your participation in the upfront recruitment and I will be glad to call them. As I said, sure....after the heavy lifting by FCDA, Group VI, the Cathy family and maybe the Fay Co Coc, you were brought to the table in your capacity as Fay Co Comm Chair. But that would have happened if Bozo The Clown was in that position. So come on...provide us with the contact information. As for being a bully, how in the world do you get that? If anyone has been a bully over the years, it has been you with the way you treat people who take a different view of things than you do. But come on....give us names and numbers.

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Mr. Brown - Mean?

I think you must be missing my point. Let's try again.

When you are a member of a team that gets something very difficult accomplished, the team members nearly always step up and support another member of the team when they ask for support. Now, with that premise in mind, I have not seen any member of the Pinewood team stand up on your behalf in this election. So, what I am asking is for you to point to that support by your fellow team members. Simply provide us a link to an ad, a posting or anything else that would suggest that you provided leadership on this endeavor, and have this in the form of one of the independent team members.

Now, as a District 3 voter I don't think that's asking too much and by the way it's not "mean".

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Mr. Brown - Crickets

Do you not have a link? An ad? Someone that was on the Pinewood team that will support you assertion that you were a primary participant and helped get this deal done?

Now, if you can't provide such a link or quote or something what is a voter to believe?

Come on Mr. Brown, save your credibility on this point, it is not us that is making this claim, it is you. So, just give us one public show of support from the team that did the Pinewood deal.

I am not being negative or "mean" I would like you to back up your claims with actual facts. As a voter in the 3rd District I think I represent most in wanting to know what our candidates have accomplished. You seem pretty proud of this, so give us some facts in the form of testimonials from team members.

Thanks in advance for your quick response before the election.

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Citizen Bob - Maybe

Maybe since you're out there waving on the side of the road for Mr. Brown, you can provide a link to the questions provided above?

All I am asking for is one public endorsement by one of the Pinewood team that put the deal together to corroborate Mr. Brown's assertion that his leadership was instrumental in getting the deal done. No, I don't want a supplier like Home Depot to tell me how happy they were to get some business. I would like to hear from the team that actually put the deal together. Was Steve Brown instrumental as part of this team or not?

A link, a news article, an ad of support, a letter, a statement by a team member, anything at all would be fine, just a small offering of gratitude from an adoring team.

What's a voter to think Mr. Ross? It's a simple request.

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You Funny, ginga!

The Brown Clown had nothing....nada....zilch....to do with the recruitment of Pinewood. That was handled by FCDA/Matt Forshee, Group VI/Jim Pace and the Cathy family and maybe Virginia Gibbs and the Chamber. Sure he was brought into the process at a certain point but by that time all the i's had been dotted and the t's crossed. Purely ceremonial and of no substance except in his position of County Commission Chair. And I suspect there was a "come to Jesus" meeting with him to not rock the boat. Now The Brown Clown is many things....a megalomaniac, spiteful, vindictive, etc. but he's not dumb. He's not going to sit across the table from the individuals listed above and say no. So yeah he may have collaborated with the Fayetteville City Council to get some things done but I bet he was gritting his teeth knowing the whole recruitment of Pinewood had taken place under his nose and without his knowledge and consent. Nice cut and paste with the second and third paragraphs too!

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No, he's not dumb and it could have been much worse

It could have been Haddix sitting in the hot seat during the "come to Jesus" meeting if a PTC site had been selected - and there is real potential that Haddix would have sacrificed the deal for his own twisted ego-enhancement.

So I say we thank Brown for using some restraint, thank him for his service and move on - with Logdson.

No Logsdon is not a perfect choice but as Donald Rumsfield would tell us - you don't get to go through an election with the candidates you want; you have to go through the election with the candidates that are on the ballot. Sure, I'd rather be voting for Scott Bradshaw or Terry Bradshaw or Terry Ernst, but they are not on the ballot and I'm not even voting this time around thanks to the NAACP. That angers me, but I will keep it bottled up until it is time to bump Barlow and elect an Oriental or Hispanic just to be fair.

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borntorun - On Mr. Brown - Now

Now I don't have any better insight into this than you, but my instincts tell me that unless some of the players in the Pinewood deal step forward and give Mr. Brown support, you are likely correct on your assertions.

Generally speaking people that are in a process, any difficult process, will immediately acknowledge the help and support of one of the team members that got it done.

Crickets, that's what I hear.

Mr. Brown, would you like to give us the list of the team members and where they stand on your support of their efforts?

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Crickets Mr. Brown

Can you not get them to stand up for you Mr. Brown? Were you an important part of the team or not?

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ginga1414 - District 3

Unless you live there, your support of Mr. Brown matters not. The only thing that matters is what the citizens of District 3 think of Mr. Brown.

Perhaps Mr. Brown hasn't made this transition from a campaigning standpoint, one of the other candidates has. Mr. Brown may regret this miscalculation.

Since he supports it, one would expect him to understand district voting.

But, he does wave well, I'll give him that.

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Mean old borntorun

That is what you said in 2010. Steve Brown had no chance against your guy Jack Smith. Allen McCarty had no chance against your guy Eric Maxwell.

Your guy Lee Hearn was going to beat Randy Ognio. Your gal Shelia Huddleston was going to beat David Barlow.

Your record is not so good lately. You guy are full of hatred and your blogs are full it too. You really have nothing going on the issues.

The voters are tired of your bitterness.

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I Doubt It johenry

Let's all step back, take a deep breath and remove the hyperbole and over the top histrionics out of the conversation and look at why I don't think Brown has a chance. Pure and simple.....district voting is going kill any chance of him winning. Brown's district is all of the west side of PTC. Folks around there haven't forgotten his debacle as mayor. He and Haddix will split the anti-growth, anti-chamber, anti-development anti-everything vote leaving Logsdon in the drivers seat. Now that's not an endorsement of Logsdon so don't go yelling again about how I'm all pro-Logsdon. If we still had county wide voting, maybe....just maybe Brown sneaks into a runoff against Logsdon. But I don't see it happening with district voting. Its just the way the voting results will play out in my opinion. But we shall see soon enough.

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Now Richter is in, helping Brown flog the victim pony

Stepping back from this whole thing and giving it a new look might be instructive.
1. There is no real evidence or even a hint from someone actually involved that Brown forced anybody off the FCDA board
2. From the beginning I have been puzzled by Brown's attempt to publicize the fact that the real movers and shakers on this project froze him out. It is so obvious that they did this, but why Brown would call attention to it was strange - especially right before an election - his.
3. Strange indeed, but one thing explains it - he's trying to set up another caped crusader scenario - him against the establishment, him against the old guard. This is difficult if you are part of the establishment, but as Obama has shown us it can be done if you just stick to talking points. So now Steve is a victim and we should reelect him to continue the good fight.
3a. Neither Brown nor Obama can get away with crap so fictitious unless we have a country or a county or a district full of stupid uninformed people who actually go out and vote and we might.
4. Richter chiming in reinforces this Brown is a government crusader scenario.
5. Of course Kim would be better off to stay out of it, but as Brown accurately points out, she wants Logsdon to replace Brown on county commission. To her credit, most sane people want this as well. Still Kim didn't need to give Brown and his only supporter some wood chips from which they could start their small fire.
6. My assumption is that those leaving FCDA did so for a variety of reasons - one of which may have been to avoid a vindictive Brown, but that none were actually forced out by a hands-on Brown. Note the absence of any of the departed speaking or of Brown boasting he did in fact "clean house", as he knows that will backfire if a former FCDA truthteller emerges. The force out language is coming only from Kim and the others are just using it to keep Brown the hero of the new guard - whatever the heck that is.

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RWM, Please reconsider your #5 comment: "Sane People"

It looks as though you believe "most sane people" want Ex- PTC Mayor Logsdon to replace Steve Brown. How do you define "sane" when Logsdon:

• Set up a for-profit business with the City
Manager while he was mayor

• Went on a lavish all-expense paid trip to Asia
funded by a company that received significant
financial and tax incentives

• Would not make the necessary budget
corrections to protect PTC

• Has kept saying in the mayor’s race where he was
defeated that he brought the satellite campus for
Clayton State University to PTC? Isn't that somewhat
less than what really happened? The City Council
when Brown was mayor attracted and furnished the
satellite campus for Clayton State and it is clearly
written in the March 21, 2002 meeting minutes.

Let's look at College and University Presence

• There has been no effort more powerful in
attracting a college campus in Fayette County than
the one-of-a-kind collaborative partnership that
Brown was a major force in forming to attract and
build Pinewood Studios. We now have a genuine
multi-college campus forming around that effort.

• We currently have attracted not only Clayton State, but
also Emory University and Georgia Military
College.

• It is a good thing for Fayette County to see a real
campus taking shape, and the opportunities for our young
people and adults will be spectacular.

So, RWM, if you feel that the "sane" folks are going with Mr. Logsdon, why not tell us how he is unequivocally more qualified in terms of knowledge, skills, abilities and experience related to the BOC than Brown? All this Brown-bashing tells us is that his opponents are running scared, and they have nothing better to offer than criticism of the opponent to qualify their candidate.

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pips: Wake up

First off, Logsdon was NEVER defeated as Mayor.....he didn't run for a second term, duh. Pay attention to what goes on in areas where you don't live, like PTC.

Secondly, Brown had NOTHING to do with GMC locating near Pinewood. When Jim Williams was City Mgr of Fairburn(where he went to after getting thoroughly disgusted with Brown), he got GMC to build a campus in Fairburn. When GMC decided to build a campus near Pinewood, who did they say made it all happen and recruited the effort? HINT: they said the Mayor and one of the Fayetteville Councilmembers. Want to guess who that was? If you guessed Jim Williams....WINNER. Did they say anything whatsoever about Brown or the FC? NO, and they weren't involved either.

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There has been no effort more powerful in attracting a college..

The Atlanta Christian College/Point University task force would probably take umbrage at that statement.

http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/28431.html

Oh, and who was it that proposed Clayton use the Tennis Center? That's right - the development authorities!

http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-020320/news/in-07.html

Good job, Steve!

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I see you got the email blast..

Good job.

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Sorry pippy

Brown ain't going to win regardless of what is said on this blog site. District voting will cause him to lose...not what any of us say. Look at his district. All of the west side of PTC. Like I told johenry folks in that district remember his debacle as mayor and he and Haddix will split the grumpy ol' men/anti-growth/anti-development/anti-everything vote and Logsdon will come out ahead.

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Mr. Richter - can you please...

spell out the insults at the commission versus the insults at the Commission Chair? I have only interpreted the "one man wrecking crew" comments made by Ms. Learnard as focused on Mr. Brown versus the whole commission. Steve Brown thinks that Kim's letter to the editor opposing the appeal of the district voting decision as a "war on the Commission", but I didn't see any name-calling, only a call to spend money more wisely.

To insult, by definition, is speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse. Having a different opinion is not disrespect or scornful abuse. I would say she mildly insulted the Commission Chair.

To say this is a war on the Commission seems off base to me, but don't let that stop you from spinning it to the cause of your candidate in the upcoming election!

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You're on to something Jim

Appears to me that the ladies have now shown some history of being a little catty. Especially when they don't get their way. Perhaps one day when they mature they can discuss and share issues face to face with fellow elected instead of trying to one up each other. Middle school politics.